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at that pay level in Europe you are almost certainly not going to social healthcare because in most of them you will not get the same level of service as in pri

at that pay level in Europe you are almost certainly not going to social healthcare because in most of them you will not get the same level of service as in private hospital and will lose more time. so u usually end up paying the healthcare and using it only in extreme circumcises. there is Switzerland where that is different.

cromka 5y ago
> at that pay level in Europe you are almost certainly not going to social healthcare Even if you do, for anything more serious, especially emergency, you still use the public health care. And you won't get a massive bill because an ambulance brought you to an out-of-network hospital. The private healthcare is for regular outpatient care and, as such, substantially cheaper than the cost of insurance in US + all of the co-pays, coinsurance and out-of-network bills. Source: EU citizen in the US since 6 years.
GekkePrutser 5y ago
Also here in Spain, the public healthcare system is just fine. I wouldn't use private. Public is good enough. But it's more about peace of mind. What if I lose that high paying job? I'll suddenly be in trouble for medical fees. Or income for that matter. That kind of security is really great to have. I wouldn't want to live in a country without it. The US has a kind of "every man for himself" attitude. It feels like it stems from the 'frontier' mindset. You can climb really high but also fall all the way down. And that's fine, to each their own. But it's not for me. I'm happy to just have enough to live comfortably and have a nice job and not have to worry too much. This is also why I'll never be an entrepreneur. I'm very happy being a salaried employee with the lower income but the rights and stability that come with it.
- golemiprague 5y ago
  You are correct about the overall state of mind and culture but in practicality poor people in the US also have some security networks. There are all kind of government and charity based social help, including for medication, housing, food and whatnot. You can go to a state college for almost free or very cheap education. It is not that bad as people might think.
MisterBastahrd 5y ago
Please look up where the US ranks in healthcare quality globally before trying to denigrate other countries' health services. (hint: it ain't good)
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legulere 5y ago
Im from Germany and was insured privately during my childhood and my parents still are. The public healthcare system is just as good, you have less stress with doctors using you to earn good money but have to wait sometimes longer for getting an appointment (which still is pretty fast in the international comparison)
- cromka 5y ago
  > you have less stress with doctors using you to earn good money This is the most significant and initially intangible difference between US and EU healthcare. It takes a while to realize that in the US you are a source of money and a cost at the same time. At literally every step of the treatment process, everyone you meet will make it clear, either straight up or through an extreme efficiency, dehumanizing the whole process and leaving little room for a holistic approach to medicine, which is still predominant in the EU. The doctors in latter will actually spend time with you and if they figure problem is elsewhere, send you off to another specialist. In contrast, you and your insurer will be milked no matter what in the US.

cromka 5y ago

> at that pay level in Europe you are almost certainly not going to social healthcare Even if you do, for anything more serious, especially emergency, you still use the public health care. And you won't get a massive bill because an ambulance brought you to an out-of-network hospital. The private healthcare is for regular outpatient care and, as such, substantially cheaper than the cost of insurance in US + all of the co-pays, coinsurance and out-of-network bills. Source: EU citizen in the US since 6 years.

GekkePrutser 5y ago

Also here in Spain, the public healthcare system is just fine. I wouldn't use private. Public is good enough. But it's more about peace of mind. What if I lose that high paying job? I'll suddenly be in trouble for medical fees. Or income for that matter. That kind of security is really great to have. I wouldn't want to live in a country without it. The US has a kind of "every man for himself" attitude. It feels like it stems from the 'frontier' mindset. You can climb really high but also fall all the way down. And that's fine, to each their own. But it's not for me. I'm happy to just have enough to live comfortably and have a nice job and not have to worry too much. This is also why I'll never be an entrepreneur. I'm very happy being a salaried employee with the lower income but the rights and stability that come with it.

golemiprague 5y ago
You are correct about the overall state of mind and culture but in practicality poor people in the US also have some security networks. There are all kind of government and charity based social help, including for medication, housing, food and whatnot. You can go to a state college for almost free or very cheap education. It is not that bad as people might think.

MisterBastahrd 5y ago

Please look up where the US ranks in healthcare quality globally before trying to denigrate other countries' health services. (hint: it ain't good)

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legulere 5y ago

Im from Germany and was insured privately during my childhood and my parents still are. The public healthcare system is just as good, you have less stress with doctors using you to earn good money but have to wait sometimes longer for getting an appointment (which still is pretty fast in the international comparison)

cromka 5y ago
> you have less stress with doctors using you to earn good money This is the most significant and initially intangible difference between US and EU healthcare. It takes a while to realize that in the US you are a source of money and a cost at the same time. At literally every step of the treatment process, everyone you meet will make it clear, either straight up or through an extreme efficiency, dehumanizing the whole process and leaving little room for a holistic approach to medicine, which is still predominant in the EU. The doctors in latter will actually spend time with you and if they figure problem is elsewhere, send you off to another specialist. In contrast, you and your insurer will be milked no matter what in the US.