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You can't honestly believe the same skillset applies here. Hacking digital assets is not the same as breaking a quarter inch pane of glass and turning a knob w

by toolz 5y ago

You can't honestly believe the same skillset applies here. Hacking digital assets is not the same as breaking a quarter inch pane of glass and turning a knob while no one is around.

Ensorceled 5y ago
Only the criminals in my neighbourhood are robbing my house, hackers all over the world are trying to get access to your wallet or exchange. Robberies are down from 30 years ago, flat for the past 5. Cybercrime is soaring.
moron4hire 5y ago
Exactly. Hacking digital assets is a lot more accessible. It's almost guaranteed to happen, whereas most people live their entire lives without getting robbed.
- toolz 5y ago
  There was more artwork stolen last year than crypto. That's a single category of theft. https://www.securitymagazine.com/articles/94627-19b-in-crypto-currency-stolen-by-hackers-last-year https://www.securitymagazine.com/articles/94627-19b-in-crypt... https://www.infoplease.com/culture-entertainment/art-architecture/plundering-past https://www.infoplease.com/culture-entertainment/art-archite... Here's another physical asset theft category that says 1/3 americans have experienced - something tells me you're also wrong about how many people have been stolen from as well. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/10/package-theft-how-amazon-google-others-are-fighting-porch-pirates.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/10/package-theft-how-amazon-goo...
  - moron4hire 5y ago
    Ok, so you're comparing absolute numbers between things in different categories and with wildly different liquidity levels. And then I don't get how comparing NFTs to "leaving valuable packages completely unsecured outside" is supposed to help your case. And if we believe 1/3rd is accurate, the easiest crime of theft on the planet is only getting us to 1/3rd? Last time I checked, 1/3rd was significantly less than 1/2. Generally, when people say "most", they mean "50%, plus at least one person". This is why I've muted "NFT" on Twitter. You can't get answers out of proponents without them massively shifting the goal posts.
    - toolz 5y ago
      Weren't you just suggesting more hacking attempts happen against NFTs because they're accessible and now you're saying package deliveries are more exposed to theft and so the comparison is unfair? I agree these comparisons aren't perfect, but I certainly wasn't trying to move the goalposts - I am trying to understand how you've not done just moved the goalposts yourself, though.
  - Ensorceled 5y ago
    "Looted" art was not stolen off somebodies wall. It was taken by "explorers", occupiers, colonizers, Nazi's etc. That is a terrible link for this discussion.

by toolz 5y ago

You can't honestly believe the same skillset applies here. Hacking digital assets is not the same as breaking a quarter inch pane of glass and turning a knob while no one is around.

Ensorceled 5y ago

Only the criminals in my neighbourhood are robbing my house, hackers all over the world are trying to get access to your wallet or exchange. Robberies are down from 30 years ago, flat for the past 5. Cybercrime is soaring.

moron4hire 5y ago

Exactly. Hacking digital assets is a lot more accessible. It's almost guaranteed to happen, whereas most people live their entire lives without getting robbed.

toolz 5y ago
There was more artwork stolen last year than crypto. That's a single category of theft. https://www.securitymagazine.com/articles/94627-19b-in-crypto-currency-stolen-by-hackers-last-year https://www.securitymagazine.com/articles/94627-19b-in-crypt... https://www.infoplease.com/culture-entertainment/art-architecture/plundering-past https://www.infoplease.com/culture-entertainment/art-archite... Here's another physical asset theft category that says 1/3 americans have experienced - something tells me you're also wrong about how many people have been stolen from as well. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/10/package-theft-how-amazon-google-others-are-fighting-porch-pirates.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/10/package-theft-how-amazon-goo...
- moron4hire 5y ago
  Ok, so you're comparing absolute numbers between things in different categories and with wildly different liquidity levels. And then I don't get how comparing NFTs to "leaving valuable packages completely unsecured outside" is supposed to help your case. And if we believe 1/3rd is accurate, the easiest crime of theft on the planet is only getting us to 1/3rd? Last time I checked, 1/3rd was significantly less than 1/2. Generally, when people say "most", they mean "50%, plus at least one person". This is why I've muted "NFT" on Twitter. You can't get answers out of proponents without them massively shifting the goal posts.
  - toolz 5y ago
    Weren't you just suggesting more hacking attempts happen against NFTs because they're accessible and now you're saying package deliveries are more exposed to theft and so the comparison is unfair? I agree these comparisons aren't perfect, but I certainly wasn't trying to move the goalposts - I am trying to understand how you've not done just moved the goalposts yourself, though.
- Ensorceled 5y ago
  "Looted" art was not stolen off somebodies wall. It was taken by "explorers", occupiers, colonizers, Nazi's etc. That is a terrible link for this discussion.