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Because they're not receiving the same CoL adjusted compensation as Americans. Your attitude sounds a little patronizing.

bwb 5y ago
Sure they are, like I said their pay is perfectly fine and kinda blown away you think it isn't. I don't understand what the complaint is on pay as they are making great money. What is the specific complaint you have or that you see? This is text based comments, inferring attitude is a huge black hole of impossibility :)
- 0xy 5y ago
  Why is it okay to be paid $100,000 for the exact same job as your equivalent counterparts in the US make 3.5x for? That's millions if you save the majority for retirement. It could be the difference between nursing homes and an independent travel-filled retirement at a reasonable age. Of course, I'm not here to make decisions for anyone. And people have personal reasons to not pursue immigration, that's fine. They're making a steep trade-off, though.
  - bwb 5y ago
    Yes I would be totally ok with that. Especially if that $100k include a real pension when I retire that I can depend on, no threat of my kids getting shot at school, health insurance that covers me when I get sick without having to go into bankruptcy, bike paths over the entire country, paternity for when I have a kid, subsidized child care for everyone so parents can be more sane, etc etc... You think this is just about talent and it is not. It is combination of so many things such as taxes, social care, government ideology, culture in that country, retirement/pensions, cost of living in that location, minimum wage anchoring, how much it costs to dismiss someone, etc... Also, barely anyone in the USA makes 350k, so this entire argument is kinda moot. Barely any developers make $350,000 so this comparison is just kinda crazy. Even in the USA average salary is $177k for Senior executives: https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2021#salary-comp-total-usa https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2021#salary-comp-t...
    - da39a3ee 5y ago
      In US public tech companies it's standard for half or more of the compensation to be made up by equity grants. Are you sure your average salary figures are not just looking at salary? A salary of $177k would be normal for someone making annual total comp of $350k at a FAANG -- you can see this on levels.fyi.
      - bwb 5y ago
        True, I am not sure their either how they factor that in. On the SO survey they say salary so not sure if this combined. We talk a lot about FANGS here, but way more people work for normal companies.
  - sbacic 5y ago
    > Why is it okay to be paid $100,000 for the exact same job as your equivalent counterparts in the US make 3.5x for? I'm not going to say it's okay, but there are a few things to keep in mind. The most obvious is that salaries are not determined so much by how productive the employee is but by the relationship between supply and demand. But that's not the really interesting part. The interesting part is that when you factor in taxes and CoL, you might be earning less gross but walking away with more money after paying taxes and living costs.

bwb 5y ago

Sure they are, like I said their pay is perfectly fine and kinda blown away you think it isn't. I don't understand what the complaint is on pay as they are making great money. What is the specific complaint you have or that you see? This is text based comments, inferring attitude is a huge black hole of impossibility :)

0xy 5y ago
Why is it okay to be paid $100,000 for the exact same job as your equivalent counterparts in the US make 3.5x for? That's millions if you save the majority for retirement. It could be the difference between nursing homes and an independent travel-filled retirement at a reasonable age. Of course, I'm not here to make decisions for anyone. And people have personal reasons to not pursue immigration, that's fine. They're making a steep trade-off, though.
- bwb 5y ago
  Yes I would be totally ok with that. Especially if that $100k include a real pension when I retire that I can depend on, no threat of my kids getting shot at school, health insurance that covers me when I get sick without having to go into bankruptcy, bike paths over the entire country, paternity for when I have a kid, subsidized child care for everyone so parents can be more sane, etc etc... You think this is just about talent and it is not. It is combination of so many things such as taxes, social care, government ideology, culture in that country, retirement/pensions, cost of living in that location, minimum wage anchoring, how much it costs to dismiss someone, etc... Also, barely anyone in the USA makes 350k, so this entire argument is kinda moot. Barely any developers make $350,000 so this comparison is just kinda crazy. Even in the USA average salary is $177k for Senior executives: https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2021#salary-comp-total-usa https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2021#salary-comp-t...
  - da39a3ee 5y ago
    In US public tech companies it's standard for half or more of the compensation to be made up by equity grants. Are you sure your average salary figures are not just looking at salary? A salary of $177k would be normal for someone making annual total comp of $350k at a FAANG -- you can see this on levels.fyi.
    - bwb 5y ago
      True, I am not sure their either how they factor that in. On the SO survey they say salary so not sure if this combined. We talk a lot about FANGS here, but way more people work for normal companies.
- sbacic 5y ago
  > Why is it okay to be paid $100,000 for the exact same job as your equivalent counterparts in the US make 3.5x for? I'm not going to say it's okay, but there are a few things to keep in mind. The most obvious is that salaries are not determined so much by how productive the employee is but by the relationship between supply and demand. But that's not the really interesting part. The interesting part is that when you factor in taxes and CoL, you might be earning less gross but walking away with more money after paying taxes and living costs.