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I never said he was a good person. A certain Adolf from Austria is also certainly an important historical figure. I'm just saying that whether we like him or no

by fdeage 5y ago

I never said he was a good person. A certain Adolf from Austria is also certainly an important historical figure. I'm just saying that whether we like him or not, Steve Jobs matters, and that a century from now it will probably be helpful to read stuff about him to understand our society, the same way we might read today about, say, Galileo to understand science in the 17th century. I don't think this qualifies as being a fanboy.

theelous3 5y ago
> Steve Jobs matters, and that a century from now it will probably be helpful to read stuff about him to understand our society, the same way we might read today about, say, Galileo to understand science in the 17th century. I don't think this qualifies as being a fanboy. This is... nothing short of outrageous haha. 1. Thinking people will be reading about jobs in 100 years, like we read about Galileo now? 2. Thinking you're not a fanboy, after saying this. Beyond hilarious. > I'm just saying that whether we like him or not, Steve Jobs matters Steve jobs really, _really_ doesn't matter. His death has had essentially zero impact on the broader world. In the world closer to him, it made some people sad, probably many more quite happy, and caused some wealth transfers. The company he ran continues to run in about the same arc you'd have expected it to. Even the stock market doesn't really care he's missing. It took a week or two for stock to recover and grow.
- fdeage 5y ago
  I wasn't talking about his death specifically, although the fact that so many people wrote about how they felt personally affected definitely says something. Name one CEO who would trigger the same reaction. Also, I also wasn't talking about the legacy of the company he founded, or about the fact that Tim Cook managed to create more shareholder value than he did. I was only thinking about the influence he had, and keeps having, on tech products and companies today.
  - smoldesu 5y ago
    Really, what is there to write about though? His influence on modern technology is almost all flash and no substance. All you need to do to confirm that is look at how technology has stagnated over the past 10 years. The 70s gave us C, the 80s gave us affordable home computers, the 90s gave us desktop metaphors and friendly computers, and the 2000s gave us... the iPhone? The 2010s is even more ephemeral, as his 'legacy' has mostly just encouraged other companies to build their own walled gardens and enforce insane monetization strategies. Bud Tribble said it best: Steve Jobs' greatest attribute was creating a reality distortion field. His demeanor was what made people see the iPod as more than a hard drive with a clickwheel strapped to it, or the Magic Mouse as a legitimate replacement for a traditional pointing device (history knows how that one turned out). Maybe it sounds like I'm being rough on the guy, but it's hard to deny that the majority of his life was dependent on hyperbole and marketing magic. His 'Disneyfication' of the consumer technology is made out to be a lot more sophisticated than it really is. Apple is barely able to hold on to that facade these days as regulators and antitrust organizations start to press them.

by fdeage 5y ago

theelous3 5y ago

> Steve Jobs matters, and that a century from now it will probably be helpful to read stuff about him to understand our society, the same way we might read today about, say, Galileo to understand science in the 17th century. I don't think this qualifies as being a fanboy. This is... nothing short of outrageous haha. 1. Thinking people will be reading about jobs in 100 years, like we read about Galileo now? 2. Thinking you're not a fanboy, after saying this. Beyond hilarious. > I'm just saying that whether we like him or not, Steve Jobs matters Steve jobs really, _really_ doesn't matter. His death has had essentially zero impact on the broader world. In the world closer to him, it made some people sad, probably many more quite happy, and caused some wealth transfers. The company he ran continues to run in about the same arc you'd have expected it to. Even the stock market doesn't really care he's missing. It took a week or two for stock to recover and grow.

fdeage 5y ago
I wasn't talking about his death specifically, although the fact that so many people wrote about how they felt personally affected definitely says something. Name one CEO who would trigger the same reaction. Also, I also wasn't talking about the legacy of the company he founded, or about the fact that Tim Cook managed to create more shareholder value than he did. I was only thinking about the influence he had, and keeps having, on tech products and companies today.
- smoldesu 5y ago
  Really, what is there to write about though? His influence on modern technology is almost all flash and no substance. All you need to do to confirm that is look at how technology has stagnated over the past 10 years. The 70s gave us C, the 80s gave us affordable home computers, the 90s gave us desktop metaphors and friendly computers, and the 2000s gave us... the iPhone? The 2010s is even more ephemeral, as his 'legacy' has mostly just encouraged other companies to build their own walled gardens and enforce insane monetization strategies. Bud Tribble said it best: Steve Jobs' greatest attribute was creating a reality distortion field. His demeanor was what made people see the iPod as more than a hard drive with a clickwheel strapped to it, or the Magic Mouse as a legitimate replacement for a traditional pointing device (history knows how that one turned out). Maybe it sounds like I'm being rough on the guy, but it's hard to deny that the majority of his life was dependent on hyperbole and marketing magic. His 'Disneyfication' of the consumer technology is made out to be a lot more sophisticated than it really is. Apple is barely able to hold on to that facade these days as regulators and antitrust organizations start to press them.