With that definition there have barely been any dumb phones for the last 10 years... Again, smartphones weren't supposed to be mainstream phones and the old son

With that definition there have barely been any dumb phones for the last 10 years... Again, smartphones weren't supposed to be mainstream phones and the old sony ericsson phones (for instance) that ran java apps, could copy + paste, tether via USB or bluetooth many many years before iPhone and android and were certainly not considered smartphones by anyone. "And you don't consider this to be great?" No, I expect that such basic features to be available from the get go. Of course you should be able to download alternatives but at some point you have to draw the line. The phone must be usable when you get it. And requiring all users to download hundreds of apps isn't a solution. On my android-phone I can't even get it to automatically update the time correctly (because my network doesn't provide it?), so I use the app clocksync which can only set the time with 30 sec accuracy if I haven't rooted the phone and it can't update the time automatically unless I've rooted my phone. So much for being a smartphone. On maemo you just just ntp as you would on any linux box. And to backup everything? Run rsync. Done. I haven't even begun to start the long process of validating all of the backup-applications for android. And unless I root my phone I bet I won't be able to backup what I want anyway. Perhaps a new definition is in place. A smartphone is a device that must be rooted if you want to do anything with it :P Not saying that sandboxing isn't great and that it is just what the market needs - but it is not a smartphone (again, using the "old/original" definition)