>but they also need to bear the consequences themselves. Not if you have ruined them completely politically, financially, culturally and socially and moreover

>but they also need to bear the consequences themselves. Not if you have ruined them completely politically, financially, culturally and socially and moreover stacked the deck against them in the "new world order". You bear the responsibility and owe them reparations. Relevant: In the context of this thread dealing with Orwell's writings, i highly recommend his essay Notes on Nationalism. - https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other-works/notes-on-nationalism/ https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwel... Excerpt: All nationalists have the power of not seeing resemblances between similar sets of facts. A British Tory will defend self-determination in Europe and oppose it in India with no feeling of inconsistency. Actions are held to be good or bad, not on their own merits, but according to who does them, and there is almost no kind of outrage – torture, the use of hostages, forced labour, mass deportations, imprisonment without trial, forgery, assassination, the bombing of civilians – which does not change its moral colour when it is committed by ‘our’ side.