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> The president still can lose their majority in parliament, they still can have an hostile prime minister TBH, it’s now really difficult to have this setup no

by pjerem 5y ago

> The president still can lose their majority in parliament, they still can have an hostile prime minister TBH, it’s now really difficult to have this setup now that presidential and parliament elections are scheduled every 5 years, few months appart. The people will give roughly the same parliamentary power ratio to the elected president than its election ratio. And most of the time, it will be even more because the President will do all it can to appear « good » on the first few months. And that’s understandable. You want to give the benefit of the doubt to the elected President and the schedule doesn’t let you the time to see which counter power is needed.

kergonath 5y ago
> The people will give roughly the same parliamentary power ratio to the elected president than its election ratio. And most of the time, it will be even more because the President will do all it can to appear « good » on the first few months. It was designed to be that way, but I am not sure it will keep happening. With parties fracturing and current political stupidity, it is not hard to imagine a candidate getting elected president with the bare minimum and their party getting 30% in the legislative. For example, there might be a centrist and a nationalist (xenophobe, populist, you know who they are) facing off in the runoff. Most people slightly on the left would tend to vote for the non-racist candidate and then turn around to vote for their party of choice in the legislative. Remember that it was almost inconceivable that Chirac would lose his majority in 1997.
- mytailorisrich 5y ago
  I think it would be more productive to try to understand why Le Pen and Zemmour poll so high rather than dismissing them and especially the people who vote for them as "xenophobe", "racist", etc. This has been going on for years, decades now and the only result is that Le Pen polls higher at each election. For Presidential elections, second round: 18% in 2002, 34% in 2017, and polling at 45% now. As someone who lives in the UK, this is what happened for years here to people labelled "Euroseptics" who supported Brexit. Their concerned where ignored and they were dismissed as racist and uneducated. This did not end well, or it did depending on your views.
  - kergonath 5y ago
    > I think it would be more productive to try to understand why Le Pen and Zemmour poll so high rather than dismissing them and especially the people who vote for them as "xenophobe", "racist", etc. I am not dismissing them. This is just a statement of fact: they use latent xenophobia, phoney patriotism, and general anxiety as a weapon. They are nationalists and xenophobes. Which is why their only presence in a runoff guarantees that the other candidate gets elected. Until now at least: as you point out the difference gets smaller every time. > As someone who lives in the UK, this is what happened for years here to people labelled "Euroseptics" who supported Brexit. As a French Londoner since 2013, this hits very close to home. I am not dismissing them, and I do not think I underestimate the threat they represent. This is why whoever ends up facing them would need to be utterly corrupt for me not to vote for them. This is also why I despair reading French media these days, a they do not seem to realise what they are doing.

by pjerem 5y ago

kergonath 5y ago

> The people will give roughly the same parliamentary power ratio to the elected president than its election ratio. And most of the time, it will be even more because the President will do all it can to appear « good » on the first few months. It was designed to be that way, but I am not sure it will keep happening. With parties fracturing and current political stupidity, it is not hard to imagine a candidate getting elected president with the bare minimum and their party getting 30% in the legislative. For example, there might be a centrist and a nationalist (xenophobe, populist, you know who they are) facing off in the runoff. Most people slightly on the left would tend to vote for the non-racist candidate and then turn around to vote for their party of choice in the legislative. Remember that it was almost inconceivable that Chirac would lose his majority in 1997.

mytailorisrich 5y ago
I think it would be more productive to try to understand why Le Pen and Zemmour poll so high rather than dismissing them and especially the people who vote for them as "xenophobe", "racist", etc. This has been going on for years, decades now and the only result is that Le Pen polls higher at each election. For Presidential elections, second round: 18% in 2002, 34% in 2017, and polling at 45% now. As someone who lives in the UK, this is what happened for years here to people labelled "Euroseptics" who supported Brexit. Their concerned where ignored and they were dismissed as racist and uneducated. This did not end well, or it did depending on your views.
- kergonath 5y ago
  > I think it would be more productive to try to understand why Le Pen and Zemmour poll so high rather than dismissing them and especially the people who vote for them as "xenophobe", "racist", etc. I am not dismissing them. This is just a statement of fact: they use latent xenophobia, phoney patriotism, and general anxiety as a weapon. They are nationalists and xenophobes. Which is why their only presence in a runoff guarantees that the other candidate gets elected. Until now at least: as you point out the difference gets smaller every time. > As someone who lives in the UK, this is what happened for years here to people labelled "Euroseptics" who supported Brexit. As a French Londoner since 2013, this hits very close to home. I am not dismissing them, and I do not think I underestimate the threat they represent. This is why whoever ends up facing them would need to be utterly corrupt for me not to vote for them. This is also why I despair reading French media these days, a they do not seem to realise what they are doing.