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Woah, what are you honestly on about? You can claim that the US is artificially raising natural gas prices, but the exact opposite is true. By chance of circu

by RC_ITR 5y ago

Woah, what are you honestly on about? You can claim that the US is artificially raising natural gas prices, but the exact opposite is true. By chance of circumstance, we've historically underbuilt LNG processing facilities and that is isolating the US market from the rest of the world, so we have some of the lowest natural gas prices in the world right now. Please take your uninformed takes and cringey political rallying elsewhere, it's not what this platform is designed for.

neuronic 5y ago
The people with an agenda against renewables are strong on HN (and even more on Reddit) and completely outside of any viable statistics and numbers out there. Every single country which increases their renewables share is performing better and better in terms of energy. But I suppose if you have a lot of shale gas to sell or subsidies to steal from tax payers for fossils or nuclear then the financial short term incentive is very high to shill for these dinosaur technologies.
rsj_hn 5y ago
I'm not the one ranting here. Biden has 1) put a moratorium on oil and gas leases in Federal lands and waters 2) cancelled one pipeline already and is about to cancel another (which means prices go up as trucks need to ship in the fuel) The above makes oil and gas more costly to extract and to ship, which raises the price. Moreover he is lobbying to remove all investment tax deductions for Oil and Gas (even though other industries still obtain them) > Please take your uninformed takes and cringey political rallying elsewhere ^^This is what this platform is not designed for.
- RC_ITR 5y ago
  What to Submit On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity. Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity.
  - leereeves 5y ago
    Biden shutting down natural gas pipelines is certainly relevant and on-topic in a discussion of the supply shock and why, as you said, "Natural gas [is] extremely expensive". Trying to bury relevant facts because they're politically inconvenient is trampling curiosity.
  - politician 5y ago
    This is such a bad take. HN regularly hosts popular discussions on topics like this. Your attempt to silence discussion is unwelcome and offensive. Amy Goodman Is Facing Prison for Reporting on the Dakota Access Pipeline 621 pts https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12719333 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12719333 US passes emergency waiver over fuel pipeline cyber-attack 611 pts https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27101092 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27101092
- nuerow 5y ago
  > The above makes oil and gas more costly to extract and to ship, which raises the price. I'm not sure if you're just expressing your personal concerns over what you believe can hypothetically happen, or whether you're grossly misinformed. Meanwhile, even though gas prices are breaking records all over the world, in the US they are still below the prices from 2010, back in the days no one in the US was concerned about gas prices because they were 3 times higher a couple years back during Bush2's presidency. https://www.eia.gov/dnav/ng/hist/rngwhhdm.htm https://www.eia.gov/dnav/ng/hist/rngwhhdm.htm
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  - rsj_hn 5y ago
    > I'm not sure if you're just expressing your personal concerns over what you believe can hypothetically happen, or whether you're grossly misinformed. So do you have an argument to make, or just a stream of ad hominem followed by smoke and mirrors? You point out that oil and gas prices are high all over the world with a price gap between gas prices in the US and the rest of the world -- because gas is shipped overseas in LNG form and it's a separate market, thus there is generally a gap between world gas prices and domestic gas prices -- to address this we do things like build pipelines from cheap gas countries (like Canada) to other countries and we build more liquefaction plants. But you take this price gap as some sort of vindication of U.S. policy, that perhaps Biden is keeping gas prices low? So let me spare you the trouble. The facts that Biden has restricted Oil and Gas drilling, cancelled one pipeline and is about to cancel another, and is trying to discourage oil investment by taking away the investment tax credits from this industry -- these increase gas prices, and gas prices have been increasing. Just not as much as in other parts of the world. That is true even if there is there is structural gas price gap vis-a-vis the rest of the world and even if prices are not at the level they were before the fracking revolution caused them to tumble and be truly affordable to many.
    - nuerow 5y ago
      > So do you have an argument to make (...) I already did. You made an unsubstantiated claim, and I pointed out your personal assertion was wrong and baseless, and provided a time history of gas prices as evidence, including the fact that not so long ago they were over 3 times higher than the current market price. If you have a problem with the facts feel free to point out what exactly leads you to believe that justifies the discrepancy between your personal beliefs and the facts.
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mechanical_bear 5y ago
I feel like you are being unnecessarily confrontational over a difference of opinion.
dablweb 5y ago
I think they make a decent point, and contributed to this conversation. Calm down.
dang 5y ago
Flamewar comments like this will get you banned on HN. You've been breaking the site guidelines in other places too, unfortunately. That's not cool. (Edit: and we've already had to ask you more than once to stop doing it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28378481 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28378481 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22198190 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22198190) If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules, we'd appreciate it.

by RC_ITR 5y ago

neuronic 5y ago

The people with an agenda against renewables are strong on HN (and even more on Reddit) and completely outside of any viable statistics and numbers out there. Every single country which increases their renewables share is performing better and better in terms of energy. But I suppose if you have a lot of shale gas to sell or subsidies to steal from tax payers for fossils or nuclear then the financial short term incentive is very high to shill for these dinosaur technologies.

rsj_hn 5y ago

I'm not the one ranting here. Biden has 1) put a moratorium on oil and gas leases in Federal lands and waters 2) cancelled one pipeline already and is about to cancel another (which means prices go up as trucks need to ship in the fuel) The above makes oil and gas more costly to extract and to ship, which raises the price. Moreover he is lobbying to remove all investment tax deductions for Oil and Gas (even though other industries still obtain them) > Please take your uninformed takes and cringey political rallying elsewhere ^^This is what this platform is not designed for.

RC_ITR 5y ago
What to Submit On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity. Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity.
- leereeves 5y ago
  Biden shutting down natural gas pipelines is certainly relevant and on-topic in a discussion of the supply shock and why, as you said, "Natural gas [is] extremely expensive". Trying to bury relevant facts because they're politically inconvenient is trampling curiosity.
- politician 5y ago
  This is such a bad take. HN regularly hosts popular discussions on topics like this. Your attempt to silence discussion is unwelcome and offensive. Amy Goodman Is Facing Prison for Reporting on the Dakota Access Pipeline 621 pts https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12719333 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12719333 US passes emergency waiver over fuel pipeline cyber-attack 611 pts https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27101092 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27101092
nuerow 5y ago
> The above makes oil and gas more costly to extract and to ship, which raises the price. I'm not sure if you're just expressing your personal concerns over what you believe can hypothetically happen, or whether you're grossly misinformed. Meanwhile, even though gas prices are breaking records all over the world, in the US they are still below the prices from 2010, back in the days no one in the US was concerned about gas prices because they were 3 times higher a couple years back during Bush2's presidency. https://www.eia.gov/dnav/ng/hist/rngwhhdm.htm https://www.eia.gov/dnav/ng/hist/rngwhhdm.htm
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- rsj_hn 5y ago
  > I'm not sure if you're just expressing your personal concerns over what you believe can hypothetically happen, or whether you're grossly misinformed. So do you have an argument to make, or just a stream of ad hominem followed by smoke and mirrors? You point out that oil and gas prices are high all over the world with a price gap between gas prices in the US and the rest of the world -- because gas is shipped overseas in LNG form and it's a separate market, thus there is generally a gap between world gas prices and domestic gas prices -- to address this we do things like build pipelines from cheap gas countries (like Canada) to other countries and we build more liquefaction plants. But you take this price gap as some sort of vindication of U.S. policy, that perhaps Biden is keeping gas prices low? So let me spare you the trouble. The facts that Biden has restricted Oil and Gas drilling, cancelled one pipeline and is about to cancel another, and is trying to discourage oil investment by taking away the investment tax credits from this industry -- these increase gas prices, and gas prices have been increasing. Just not as much as in other parts of the world. That is true even if there is there is structural gas price gap vis-a-vis the rest of the world and even if prices are not at the level they were before the fracking revolution caused them to tumble and be truly affordable to many.
  - nuerow 5y ago
    > So do you have an argument to make (...) I already did. You made an unsubstantiated claim, and I pointed out your personal assertion was wrong and baseless, and provided a time history of gas prices as evidence, including the fact that not so long ago they were over 3 times higher than the current market price. If you have a problem with the facts feel free to point out what exactly leads you to believe that justifies the discrepancy between your personal beliefs and the facts.
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mechanical_bear 5y ago

I feel like you are being unnecessarily confrontational over a difference of opinion.

dablweb 5y ago

I think they make a decent point, and contributed to this conversation. Calm down.

dang 5y ago

Flamewar comments like this will get you banned on HN. You've been breaking the site guidelines in other places too, unfortunately. That's not cool. (Edit: and we've already had to ask you more than once to stop doing it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28378481 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28378481 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22198190 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22198190) If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules, we'd appreciate it.