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It's a plausible theory, but it doesn't explain the long queues of container ships waiting to be unloaded.

by lisper 5y ago

waynecochran 5y ago
Certainly shutting down the economy is a factor too.
- vkou 5y ago
  From a cursory glance at I-5 traffic outside my window, besides for ~5 weeks in 2020, it does not seem like the economy was shut down.
  - asdff 5y ago
    Yeah not much of a shutdown, in LA seems like retail and restaurant workers were back working pretty fast, only a handful of places by me failed to pivot into takeout orders and shut down, I'd say 9/10 restaurants anecdotally are still open today which is about what I'd see with typical restaurant turnover over these two years anyhow even in the before times. The city only felt empty for like a month, then it was back to business as usual only with masks on. Traffic picked up again pretty quick. It was only bars and large events that suffered and even then, those have been back for a long time now (at least for bars, restaurant bars with outdoor dining even longer).
formercoder 5y ago
Demand shocks would manifest themselves as bottlenecks in different places along the supply chain as supply attempted to catch up.
- konfin 5y ago
  We're not seeing increased throughput.
- asdff 5y ago
  That's not whats observed at the ports. Relative to before the pandemic in LA, container tonnage is down, container volume is down, cargo value down, the number of vessels serviced is down, as well as revenue all down. By all accounts the port just seems to be working at a reduced capacity than even before the pandemic, rather than moving a larger amount of goods than what was 'normal' and struggling to keep up with increased demand. Seems they just can't keep up the numbers seen under normal demand at least at the port of LA. https://www.portoflosangeles.org/business/statistics/facts-and-figures https://www.portoflosangeles.org/business/statistics/facts-a...
lazydon 5y ago
The articles does talk about lack of productivity and "not enough labor". Just my guess that that would could be likely causing bottlenecks as there isn't enough staff/equipment/ machinery to unload everything in time. Check the graphic here - https://www.bbc.com/news/58926842 https://www.bbc.com/news/58926842

It's a plausible theory, but it doesn't explain the long queues of container ships waiting to be unloaded.

by lisper 5y ago

It's a plausible theory, but it doesn't explain the long queues of container ships waiting to be unloaded.

waynecochran 5y ago

Certainly shutting down the economy is a factor too.

vkou 5y ago
From a cursory glance at I-5 traffic outside my window, besides for ~5 weeks in 2020, it does not seem like the economy was shut down.
- asdff 5y ago
  Yeah not much of a shutdown, in LA seems like retail and restaurant workers were back working pretty fast, only a handful of places by me failed to pivot into takeout orders and shut down, I'd say 9/10 restaurants anecdotally are still open today which is about what I'd see with typical restaurant turnover over these two years anyhow even in the before times. The city only felt empty for like a month, then it was back to business as usual only with masks on. Traffic picked up again pretty quick. It was only bars and large events that suffered and even then, those have been back for a long time now (at least for bars, restaurant bars with outdoor dining even longer).

formercoder 5y ago

Demand shocks would manifest themselves as bottlenecks in different places along the supply chain as supply attempted to catch up.

konfin 5y ago
We're not seeing increased throughput.
asdff 5y ago
That's not whats observed at the ports. Relative to before the pandemic in LA, container tonnage is down, container volume is down, cargo value down, the number of vessels serviced is down, as well as revenue all down. By all accounts the port just seems to be working at a reduced capacity than even before the pandemic, rather than moving a larger amount of goods than what was 'normal' and struggling to keep up with increased demand. Seems they just can't keep up the numbers seen under normal demand at least at the port of LA. https://www.portoflosangeles.org/business/statistics/facts-and-figures https://www.portoflosangeles.org/business/statistics/facts-a...

lazydon 5y ago

The articles does talk about lack of productivity and "not enough labor". Just my guess that that would could be likely causing bottlenecks as there isn't enough staff/equipment/ machinery to unload everything in time. Check the graphic here - https://www.bbc.com/news/58926842 https://www.bbc.com/news/58926842