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So youre saying lets say me as a programmer, loosing my both hands (car crash OuTside of work) or whatever that would prevent me from working indefinitely i can

by max002 5y ago

So youre saying lets say me as a programmer, loosing my both hands (car crash OuTside of work) or whatever that would prevent me from working indefinitely i can count on that company to take care of me and my needs until end of my life like a good familly would? But a decent one, not minimum of social or money from insurance. Or if i need 3 years off/break because i need to think about my life (lol) theyre gonna welcome it and still pay me? Youre speaking about working for someone for life hoping that you'll get apprieciated and get a piece of cake. Or boss of your "famillial" values company is so loyal to you that if he gets 10 mil extra more he'll split it evenly according to workload everyone in company put in to get to that place? I truly doubt it. For sure there are exceptions, but in 19 out of 20 cases the head of "family company" would put 9 mil in "family" pocket and spread 1 mil... If they would. Probably you would get some generous bonus, but thats it. Lets not be naive. Family is family, it should be unconditional love, i dont see that working in any company. Btw. Startups are well known to pay lower and give you options for future stocks... And let me know which multigenerettional company would let you take over their business... Considering theres a lot of heirs to get them or the company is big enough to be publicly traded. Bulding effective team yes, tribe culture (wouldnt pass for me, but ok) yes, but not family. Companies are there to make money and owner takes the most because they (usually) take the biggest risk. If youre extrovert then what you wrote can work for you, but thats it. It will not work for any introvert, because we rarely look for "family" at work. Game studios... Well known for crunch time, over hours and a lot of promises... I know a lot of devs who says its like working on assembly line, no thank you unless its extremely well paid or interestong... Check it, in stackoverflow yearly stats the game devs are least happy/optimistoc about their work and future. But theres no need for that "family" style :)

Barrin92 5y ago
> I truly doubt it It's not uncommon at all in family owned business here to take care of people for life. Of course within reason, just like within any actual family. Love's rarely unconditional even when it comes to blood relationships so let's be fair. I wouldn't let my own kid think about life for a few years without a job. But someone who is injured getting a desk job instead of being fired and keeping their wage? Absolutely, happened to my own grandfather in fact. People being accommodated around raising children, sure. Hell the minimum legal protection here is three years. >Companies are there to make money Companies are there for many reasons, it's myopic to absorb this kind of mentality unquestioningly. Family owned business that has been around for sometimes ten generations and hundreds of years isn't there to make money, it makes money to have a legacy and continue to exist. There is a fundamentally different outlook when it comes to a business that serves the people who maintain it compared to this notion that it's just an entity on paper that produces profit.
- freetinker 5y ago
  Interesting discussion/debate. Broadly speaking, I think a country’s culture/politics shapes attitudes about work, the purpose of a company, etc. In America at least (no surprise!), branding workplace as family just comes across as disingenuous at worst, and naive at best. Would love to examples counter examples from America where work-as-family is not complete bullshit.
- max002 5y ago
  I think its great example, the one youve put about your grandfather, but that is personal experience. What if your grandfather couldnt work at desk or work at all? Would he stay on same pay/level of life like before? Could you give me/us some examples of family busisnesses ran for generations that were "given" to people who were hired and dont come from family or didnt marry into family? And that happened within last 20 years lets say? And that didnt happen because owner died and no1 from real family knew how to run business? Just of pure love/apprieciation for your workers family ;) I think those are rather exceptions, and exceptions confirmz the rule. Im not saying all companies are bad, im saying family style doesnt work for everyone and as you said yourself, its conditional. So its not really a family and pretending it is or acting like it would be is just cheating yourself and your workers. Youve responded to 3 years argument, but what about ten mills? If your company gets 150% profit will that be split evenly... So you'll get equal part to your boss and his real family members that work there? Did you experience this? If no then why create this illusion that people who arent... are brothers and sisters (unless you pull in religion in)? No 1 said about "paper entity". Im hiring people and i give them great rates, sense of security like not many companies do. I guide them to growth so theyre not dependent on my company and if they decide they want to go they dont have the guilt trip (which was one of yhings described in that article). I dont tell them theyre family, because they have their own families. But if you say that someones open company not for profits from what they create/serve then its actually called charity. If company makes money just to exist then its a hammster wheel. And of course, if you tell your hammsters they're your familly they're going to run that mill at 150%.
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by max002 5y ago

Barrin92 5y ago

> I truly doubt it It's not uncommon at all in family owned business here to take care of people for life. Of course within reason, just like within any actual family. Love's rarely unconditional even when it comes to blood relationships so let's be fair. I wouldn't let my own kid think about life for a few years without a job. But someone who is injured getting a desk job instead of being fired and keeping their wage? Absolutely, happened to my own grandfather in fact. People being accommodated around raising children, sure. Hell the minimum legal protection here is three years. >Companies are there to make money Companies are there for many reasons, it's myopic to absorb this kind of mentality unquestioningly. Family owned business that has been around for sometimes ten generations and hundreds of years isn't there to make money, it makes money to have a legacy and continue to exist. There is a fundamentally different outlook when it comes to a business that serves the people who maintain it compared to this notion that it's just an entity on paper that produces profit.

freetinker 5y ago
Interesting discussion/debate. Broadly speaking, I think a country’s culture/politics shapes attitudes about work, the purpose of a company, etc. In America at least (no surprise!), branding workplace as family just comes across as disingenuous at worst, and naive at best. Would love to examples counter examples from America where work-as-family is not complete bullshit.
max002 5y ago
I think its great example, the one youve put about your grandfather, but that is personal experience. What if your grandfather couldnt work at desk or work at all? Would he stay on same pay/level of life like before? Could you give me/us some examples of family busisnesses ran for generations that were "given" to people who were hired and dont come from family or didnt marry into family? And that happened within last 20 years lets say? And that didnt happen because owner died and no1 from real family knew how to run business? Just of pure love/apprieciation for your workers family ;) I think those are rather exceptions, and exceptions confirmz the rule. Im not saying all companies are bad, im saying family style doesnt work for everyone and as you said yourself, its conditional. So its not really a family and pretending it is or acting like it would be is just cheating yourself and your workers. Youve responded to 3 years argument, but what about ten mills? If your company gets 150% profit will that be split evenly... So you'll get equal part to your boss and his real family members that work there? Did you experience this? If no then why create this illusion that people who arent... are brothers and sisters (unless you pull in religion in)? No 1 said about "paper entity". Im hiring people and i give them great rates, sense of security like not many companies do. I guide them to growth so theyre not dependent on my company and if they decide they want to go they dont have the guilt trip (which was one of yhings described in that article). I dont tell them theyre family, because they have their own families. But if you say that someones open company not for profits from what they create/serve then its actually called charity. If company makes money just to exist then its a hammster wheel. And of course, if you tell your hammsters they're your familly they're going to run that mill at 150%.

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