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Definitely, I agree that phone numbers are a flawed verification method. Something better needs to be created, but I can't think of anything that wouldn't have

by ejj28 5y ago

Definitely, I agree that phone numbers are a flawed verification method. Something better needs to be created, but I can't think of anything that wouldn't have the same or different flaws.

novok 5y ago
Pay $5 via crypto, venmo, whatever to add a similar cost barrier. Make it separate from nitro.
- ejj28 5y ago
  The difference though is that verification through phone numbers relies on money that you've already spent, which is a lot more reasonable for the majority of users. People would still be unhappy if they had to pay 5 bucks if they didn't own a phone.
  - Thorrez 5y ago
    Less unhappy than the current situation where they can't use the site at all. Also there's precedent of sites doing this. MetaFilter charges $5 to create an account. The bitcoin wiki used to require a fee (in bitcoin)[1]. Something Awful forums have a fee. [1] https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/a/10932 https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/a/10932
  - jareklupinski 5y ago
    i wonder how many hours have already been wasted by people solving captchas... everything old is new again :)
  - novok 5y ago
    Its about increasing the cost of spam right? For some money is better than using your phone number, for others, they can continue to use the phone. Neither is exclusive of the other. I know for some they would definitely choose the $5 over the phone for very good privacy reasons.
- pavel_lishin 5y ago
  I will abandon a piece of software before I pay five bucks to join their non-archivable support channel.
kiklion 5y ago
There’s an ID verification service, at least in the US, where you go to webpage A who wants you to confirm identity, A then redirects you to the service. The service asks a bunch of questions like ‘which of these cars have been related to you’ or ‘which of these addresses belonged to you when you lived in town x?’ That generates a score where the service determines if you are who you say you are and returns the result to the calling web page. But I assume it uses background check/credit check information which may be limited to the US and is a paid service as compared to phone validation.
- mindslight 5y ago
  I've had good luck answering those questions by pretending I know nothing about my own life, and using only information I can find from search engines to answer those questions (eg "What city is LAKE STREET in" - search for each option they give you to see if it has a Lake St). The few times this has failed (probably 70% success rate), they usually just want to send you a letter in the mail instead. I'd much rather wait a few days than end up confirming their surveillance records about me.

by ejj28 5y ago

Definitely, I agree that phone numbers are a flawed verification method. Something better needs to be created, but I can't think of anything that wouldn't have the same or different flaws.

novok 5y ago

Pay $5 via crypto, venmo, whatever to add a similar cost barrier. Make it separate from nitro.

ejj28 5y ago
The difference though is that verification through phone numbers relies on money that you've already spent, which is a lot more reasonable for the majority of users. People would still be unhappy if they had to pay 5 bucks if they didn't own a phone.
- Thorrez 5y ago
  Less unhappy than the current situation where they can't use the site at all. Also there's precedent of sites doing this. MetaFilter charges $5 to create an account. The bitcoin wiki used to require a fee (in bitcoin)[1]. Something Awful forums have a fee. [1] https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/a/10932 https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/a/10932
- jareklupinski 5y ago
  i wonder how many hours have already been wasted by people solving captchas... everything old is new again :)
- novok 5y ago
  Its about increasing the cost of spam right? For some money is better than using your phone number, for others, they can continue to use the phone. Neither is exclusive of the other. I know for some they would definitely choose the $5 over the phone for very good privacy reasons.
pavel_lishin 5y ago
I will abandon a piece of software before I pay five bucks to join their non-archivable support channel.

kiklion 5y ago

There’s an ID verification service, at least in the US, where you go to webpage A who wants you to confirm identity, A then redirects you to the service. The service asks a bunch of questions like ‘which of these cars have been related to you’ or ‘which of these addresses belonged to you when you lived in town x?’ That generates a score where the service determines if you are who you say you are and returns the result to the calling web page. But I assume it uses background check/credit check information which may be limited to the US and is a paid service as compared to phone validation.

mindslight 5y ago
I've had good luck answering those questions by pretending I know nothing about my own life, and using only information I can find from search engines to answer those questions (eg "What city is LAKE STREET in" - search for each option they give you to see if it has a Lake St). The few times this has failed (probably 70% success rate), they usually just want to send you a letter in the mail instead. I'd much rather wait a few days than end up confirming their surveillance records about me.