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France is phasing out nuclear, their goal is to reduce nuclear from 70% to 50% by 2025.

jjoonathan 5y ago
Will they use the German plan, and replace nuclear with coal? Or will they use the California plan, and replace nuclear with rolling blackouts?
- neuronic 5y ago
  Germany has not replaced nuclear with coal. They have massively increased rennewables, as should everyone who isn't a paid shill or from the 80s. Thank you for your alternative facts, now go collect your paycheck for that dumbass statement. https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-energy-consumption-and-power-mix-charts https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-energy-c... https://energytransition.org/2018/01/german-energy-consumption-2017/ https://energytransition.org/2018/01/german-energy-consumpti...
  - jjoonathan 5y ago
    I am ecstatic to see those numbers, which are very different from numbers I've seen in the past. My bad. (Probably.)
    - neuronic 5y ago
      Sorry about the vulgar comment... I am always getting really riled up about people dragging Germany through the mud for its energy policy. Not because Germany doesn't deserve it. It absolutely does. But we should stick to facts - Germany simply should have gotten rid of coal before nuclear but of course the government (CDU/SPD parties) historically cared more about existing coal jobs than potential new jobs in nuclear - especially in the 80s.
neuronic 5y ago
As should everyone, there is no reason to build new nuclear plants in 2021 especially since there is STILL no acceptable solution for the waste problem. It's cheaper, faster and safer to build renewables. The only explanation for the strange amount of unsupported pro-nuclear posts on HN and Reddit is shilling.
- dang 5y ago
  You broke the site guidelines egregiously with this, and your other comments in the thread broke them badly as well. We've already had to ask you repeatedly not to do this kind of thing: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24495121 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24495121 (Sept 2020) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24191783 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24191783 (Aug 2020) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21073496 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21073496 (Sept 2019) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19107028 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19107028 (Feb 2019) If you keep doing it, we're going to have to ban you. I don't want to ban you, so if you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules, we'd appreciate it.
  - neuronic 5y ago
    You are right with your assessment and the consideration of a ban, I am embarrassed by some of these past comments.
    - dang 5y ago
      I appreciate the reply and am sorry if that came across as shaming.
godelski 5y ago
I'm not sure I'd call 70%->50% "phasing out". I'd call it "reducing dependence." I see nothing wrong with this. It would still be one of the most heavily nuclearized countries. So that term is misleading. I wouldn't call anything "phasing out" short of a plan to denuclearize. France is still going to be the green model. Mixture of zero emitting sources. The energy problem is complex. As one example, a big reason for this change is that France heavily relies on others to get its uranium.

Will they use the German plan, and replace nuclear with coal? Or will they use the California plan, and replace nuclear with rolling blackouts?

neuronic 5y ago
Germany has not replaced nuclear with coal. They have massively increased rennewables, as should everyone who isn't a paid shill or from the 80s. Thank you for your alternative facts, now go collect your paycheck for that dumbass statement. https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-energy-consumption-and-power-mix-charts https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-energy-c... https://energytransition.org/2018/01/german-energy-consumption-2017/ https://energytransition.org/2018/01/german-energy-consumpti...
- jjoonathan 5y ago
  I am ecstatic to see those numbers, which are very different from numbers I've seen in the past. My bad. (Probably.)
  - neuronic 5y ago
    Sorry about the vulgar comment... I am always getting really riled up about people dragging Germany through the mud for its energy policy. Not because Germany doesn't deserve it. It absolutely does. But we should stick to facts - Germany simply should have gotten rid of coal before nuclear but of course the government (CDU/SPD parties) historically cared more about existing coal jobs than potential new jobs in nuclear - especially in the 80s.

neuronic 5y ago

As should everyone, there is no reason to build new nuclear plants in 2021 especially since there is STILL no acceptable solution for the waste problem. It's cheaper, faster and safer to build renewables. The only explanation for the strange amount of unsupported pro-nuclear posts on HN and Reddit is shilling.

dang 5y ago
You broke the site guidelines egregiously with this, and your other comments in the thread broke them badly as well. We've already had to ask you repeatedly not to do this kind of thing: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24495121 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24495121 (Sept 2020) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24191783 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24191783 (Aug 2020) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21073496 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21073496 (Sept 2019) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19107028 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19107028 (Feb 2019) If you keep doing it, we're going to have to ban you. I don't want to ban you, so if you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules, we'd appreciate it.
- neuronic 5y ago
  You are right with your assessment and the consideration of a ban, I am embarrassed by some of these past comments.
  - dang 5y ago
    I appreciate the reply and am sorry if that came across as shaming.

godelski 5y ago

I'm not sure I'd call 70%->50% "phasing out". I'd call it "reducing dependence." I see nothing wrong with this. It would still be one of the most heavily nuclearized countries. So that term is misleading. I wouldn't call anything "phasing out" short of a plan to denuclearize. France is still going to be the green model. Mixture of zero emitting sources. The energy problem is complex. As one example, a big reason for this change is that France heavily relies on others to get its uranium.