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If they are terrible for the environment and they are making a serious, credible commitments on improving, shouldn't that make you happy?

wrycoder 5y ago
Talking about serious, credible commitments isn't actual action accomplished with tangible results.
lapetitejort 5y ago
If PepsiCo (one of the companies listed) ceased production of plastic bottles immediately I would be happy. That is a serious, credible commitment to improve.
- koboll 5y ago
  They'd still be responsible for killing millions and sickening billions of people via sugar addiction. I guess human bodies are exempt from being considered part of the natural world.
  - tcskeptic 5y ago
    Is your position really that no one should be allowed to produce products that are unhealthy? This seems incredibly invasive.
    - wahnfrieden 5y ago
      no one mentioned banning and the OP is about recognition not enforcement
    - Raed667 5y ago
      We already do this with a bunch of criteria/ rules for food to be sold to humans and animals. Lobbying and advertisers have just made us think that drinking a cup of sugar is an acceptable option.
    - dagw 5y ago
      We don't have to ban them, but we definitely don't have to support and laud them either. Tolerate and shame, like we do with tobacco companies, seems like a reasonable approach. And to disclose my own biases, I'm 100% on team "Full Sugar Soda" and will definitely choose no soda over sugar free soda every time.
  - timeon 5y ago
    > I guess human bodies are exempt from being considered part of the natural world. Still this seems to be like moving the goalposts.
  - ViViDboarder 5y ago
    Don’t we generally define natural as not human made? Makes sense then that less humans improves the natural world.
  - theonemind 5y ago
    In the context of regulating or evaluating company behavior, yes, it would not make sense to consider human bodies as the planetary environment.
  - pverghese 5y ago
    Maybe some of us take some resposibility for what we want to eat or drink and dont need government intervention to control it.
gorgoiler 5y ago
For me it feels like this: if your local bus drivers have been showing up to work drunk, for years, would you: (a) welcome a new initiative to help them tackle their addiction issues, with a commitment to move forward together, as a team, one day a month outside of their ongoing bus driving duties; or (b) get new drivers.
- pabs3 5y ago
  Both.

wrycoder 5y ago

Talking about serious, credible commitments isn't actual action accomplished with tangible results.

lapetitejort 5y ago

If PepsiCo (one of the companies listed) ceased production of plastic bottles immediately I would be happy. That is a serious, credible commitment to improve.

koboll 5y ago
They'd still be responsible for killing millions and sickening billions of people via sugar addiction. I guess human bodies are exempt from being considered part of the natural world.
- tcskeptic 5y ago
  Is your position really that no one should be allowed to produce products that are unhealthy? This seems incredibly invasive.
  - wahnfrieden 5y ago
    no one mentioned banning and the OP is about recognition not enforcement
  - Raed667 5y ago
    We already do this with a bunch of criteria/ rules for food to be sold to humans and animals. Lobbying and advertisers have just made us think that drinking a cup of sugar is an acceptable option.
  - dagw 5y ago
    We don't have to ban them, but we definitely don't have to support and laud them either. Tolerate and shame, like we do with tobacco companies, seems like a reasonable approach. And to disclose my own biases, I'm 100% on team "Full Sugar Soda" and will definitely choose no soda over sugar free soda every time.
- timeon 5y ago
  > I guess human bodies are exempt from being considered part of the natural world. Still this seems to be like moving the goalposts.
- ViViDboarder 5y ago
  Don’t we generally define natural as not human made? Makes sense then that less humans improves the natural world.
- theonemind 5y ago
  In the context of regulating or evaluating company behavior, yes, it would not make sense to consider human bodies as the planetary environment.
- pverghese 5y ago
  Maybe some of us take some resposibility for what we want to eat or drink and dont need government intervention to control it.

gorgoiler 5y ago

For me it feels like this: if your local bus drivers have been showing up to work drunk, for years, would you: (a) welcome a new initiative to help them tackle their addiction issues, with a commitment to move forward together, as a team, one day a month outside of their ongoing bus driving duties; or (b) get new drivers.

pabs3 5y ago
Both.