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You're 100% right - though I don't think it's easy to risk it in Portugal, neither it's praised. I think our worst problem is that the majority seems to be ok

You're 100% right - though I don't think it's easy to risk it in Portugal, neither it's praised. I think our worst problem is that the majority seems to be ok giving the appearance that they're ok in life. I can't blame them, like some said: we have good weather and good food... low cost flights allows us to travel and post on social media showing we're going places... so in reality it seems like everything is ok. Yet it's not. Agostinho da Silva might say we're fulfilling our destiny of being "vadios" and artists, since he claims that's a way of living very rooted in our culture, waiting for machines to come do the work for ourselves. If that time will ever come, will be pros. I tried my own venture, and failed. In fact I've tried many things and failed at them. And I do wonder sometimes, what's the point? I always fold to play guitar, sketch, and have laughs with friends while we eat a home made meal.

taurath 5y ago
Otoh a society that values leisure and social cohesion than cold efficient capital making sounds like a much more fulfilling place to fill out a few score trips around the sun than waking up at 60 with no hobbies in a cold dead mansion. Maybe the solution is just to go abroad if you find you can’t not be getting your excitement from taking business risks
- havkd 5y ago
  A very romantic view of mediocrity.
  - libertine 5y ago
    Where's the line that separates mediocrity from greatness?
  - edgefield 5y ago
    So anything aside from hyper capitalism is mediocrity? This is a sad way of looking at the world.
    - havkd 5y ago
      Nuance is useful.
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- Aunche 5y ago
  The reason you get the impression that countries like Portugal or Greece prioritize leisure is that you spend your vacations there and mostly interact with the wealthier residents. The relaxed Greek pensioner who speaks fluent English may appear to be middle class by your standards, but is actually a member of the elite. The actual average Greek is the one who is busting their butts off mopping the pristine facade of your Santorini Airbnb. Portugal actually has one of the longer working hours in the EU. Despite the reputation that Greeks are lazy, they actual work the longest. If the upper classes of these nations worked harder, they would create more higher-skill jobs for the average resident, so they wouldn't have to resort to working menial jobs for longer hours. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_annual_labor_hours https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_a...
  - pelasaco 5y ago
    From every German tourist visiting Portugal: "Oh its so nice that in Portugal, the supermarkets are every day open"
  - hungryforcodes 5y ago
    Mind you the two hour lunches with a bottle of wine and naps are something.
  - taurath 5y ago
    I think there’s a level on which a chill society doesn’t feel as much collective need to produce as much, though your point is very valid as well. A 11 hour workday that involves a hammock and a nap for instance. Or, a crazy idea, if one can provide some security for themselves with a more basic job. This isn’t really what exists, it’s usually richer countries with more leisure. But not always

taurath 5y ago

Otoh a society that values leisure and social cohesion than cold efficient capital making sounds like a much more fulfilling place to fill out a few score trips around the sun than waking up at 60 with no hobbies in a cold dead mansion. Maybe the solution is just to go abroad if you find you can’t not be getting your excitement from taking business risks

havkd 5y ago
A very romantic view of mediocrity.
- libertine 5y ago
  Where's the line that separates mediocrity from greatness?
- edgefield 5y ago
  So anything aside from hyper capitalism is mediocrity? This is a sad way of looking at the world.
  - havkd 5y ago
    Nuance is useful.
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Aunche 5y ago
The reason you get the impression that countries like Portugal or Greece prioritize leisure is that you spend your vacations there and mostly interact with the wealthier residents. The relaxed Greek pensioner who speaks fluent English may appear to be middle class by your standards, but is actually a member of the elite. The actual average Greek is the one who is busting their butts off mopping the pristine facade of your Santorini Airbnb. Portugal actually has one of the longer working hours in the EU. Despite the reputation that Greeks are lazy, they actual work the longest. If the upper classes of these nations worked harder, they would create more higher-skill jobs for the average resident, so they wouldn't have to resort to working menial jobs for longer hours. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_annual_labor_hours https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_a...
- pelasaco 5y ago
  From every German tourist visiting Portugal: "Oh its so nice that in Portugal, the supermarkets are every day open"
- hungryforcodes 5y ago
  Mind you the two hour lunches with a bottle of wine and naps are something.
- taurath 5y ago
  I think there’s a level on which a chill society doesn’t feel as much collective need to produce as much, though your point is very valid as well. A 11 hour workday that involves a hammock and a nap for instance. Or, a crazy idea, if one can provide some security for themselves with a more basic job. This isn’t really what exists, it’s usually richer countries with more leisure. But not always