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they can't leave their tiny allocated stretch of land. their economic opportunities are completely restricted by a foreign government that they have no represen

they can't leave their tiny allocated stretch of land. their economic opportunities are completely restricted by a foreign government that they have no representation in. They live under a constant threat of violence from an occupying force. What am I missing here?

jjcon 5y ago
> they can't leave their tiny allocated stretch of land That is how country boundaries work - there are lots of disputed territories in Israel - pretending it is as simple as 'allocated land' is completely disingenuous >their economic opportunities are completely restricted by a foreign government that they have no representation in. They live under a constant threat of violence from an occupying force. You mean Hamas? They elected Hamas and all that came with it, and I agree it has lead to a very sad state of affairs. (Unless you are referring to Israel in which case again, that is just how country boundaries work. I don't get to vote in the French elections when I reside in the UK.)
FridayoLeary 5y ago
To address your points, we must first make a distinction between the different groups: the ones who live in Israel proper are full citizens and none of the above applies to them. The ones who live in West Bank can move freely in Israel with a work permit. The ones in Gaza live in a huge prison and that is truly regrettable. Unfortunately allowing them free movement will vastly increase the powers and abilities of Hamas and will endanger every Jew in Israel, and many Arabs, i might add. Surely you can't expect Israel to take any other course of action given the very real risks involved. As for representation, you make me laugh. Their autonomous government hasn't allowed any elections in 15 years. Please don't apply double standards here. Also, it's an interesting kind of apartheid which gives every privilege to legitimate arab citizens and where an arab party is part of the current government.

jjcon 5y ago

> they can't leave their tiny allocated stretch of land That is how country boundaries work - there are lots of disputed territories in Israel - pretending it is as simple as 'allocated land' is completely disingenuous >their economic opportunities are completely restricted by a foreign government that they have no representation in. They live under a constant threat of violence from an occupying force. You mean Hamas? They elected Hamas and all that came with it, and I agree it has lead to a very sad state of affairs. (Unless you are referring to Israel in which case again, that is just how country boundaries work. I don't get to vote in the French elections when I reside in the UK.)

FridayoLeary 5y ago

To address your points, we must first make a distinction between the different groups: the ones who live in Israel proper are full citizens and none of the above applies to them. The ones who live in West Bank can move freely in Israel with a work permit. The ones in Gaza live in a huge prison and that is truly regrettable. Unfortunately allowing them free movement will vastly increase the powers and abilities of Hamas and will endanger every Jew in Israel, and many Arabs, i might add. Surely you can't expect Israel to take any other course of action given the very real risks involved. As for representation, you make me laugh. Their autonomous government hasn't allowed any elections in 15 years. Please don't apply double standards here. Also, it's an interesting kind of apartheid which gives every privilege to legitimate arab citizens and where an arab party is part of the current government.