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I live partially in Germany and Portugal, as I have roots in both country. You are right, the average salaries are a joke and the living costs are sky rocketing
by pelasaco 5y ago
I live partially in Germany and Portugal, as I have roots in both country. You are right, the average salaries are a joke and the living costs are sky rocketing. However, you have a great and stable society, a really specific market, good universities and sometimes I think what is missing is initiative. The young people prefer to go abroad than try to innovate in Portugal. For example, almost all disrupting startups in Portugal are lead by Brazilians. Sometimes I have the impression that we all forgot about our resilience (well described by Camoes and Pessoa).
To all my Portuguese friends:
"Viver não é necessário. Necessário é criar."
Fernando Pessoa
- galfarragem 5y agoMight be relevant: https://taxfoundation.org/comparing-corporate-tax-systems-europe-2021/ https://taxfoundation.org/comparing-corporate-tax-systems-eu...
- PaywallBuster 5y agogoing abroad is initiative too and actually there's very little initiative there too, seen it too many times, comfortable at parents place / not desperate, why bother going abroad
- vmsp 5y agoMind explaining how to find this initiative of yours if you're living paycheck to paycheck?
- pelasaco 5y agoIn the end is about how much you want to sacrifice. Put some money aside, invest your free time, believe in an idea, but in the end: Put in the Work! Specially in our branch. A full stack developer earns in average EUR 1.500/month in Portugal. Work remotely from Portugal, have a side gig and make it happens.
- rfks 5y agoComing from Poland (theoretically a country with lower salaries than Portugal) this strikes me as super low - you can easily earn 2-3x that working remotely for English-speaking contracting companies, and way way more if you try to get a job at a remote first tech company.
- bacro 5y agoReally? Care to elaborate how demanding are these jobs in terms of productivity, hard skills, etc?
- libertine 5y agoYou're 100% right - though I don't think it's easy to risk it in Portugal, neither it's praised. I think our worst problem is that the majority seems to be ok giving the appearance that they're ok in life. I can't blame them, like some said: we have good weather and good food... low cost flights allows us to travel and post on social media showing we're going places... so in reality it seems like everything is ok. Yet it's not. Agostinho da Silva might say we're fulfilling our destiny of being "vadios" and artists, since he claims that's a way of living very rooted in our culture, waiting for machines to come do the work for ourselves. If that time will ever come, will be pros. I tried my own venture, and failed. In fact I've tried many things and failed at them. And I do wonder sometimes, what's the point? I always fold to play guitar, sketch, and have laughs with friends while we eat a home made meal.
- taurath 5y agoOtoh a society that values leisure and social cohesion than cold efficient capital making sounds like a much more fulfilling place to fill out a few score trips around the sun than waking up at 60 with no hobbies in a cold dead mansion. Maybe the solution is just to go abroad if you find you can’t not be getting your excitement from taking business risks
- havkd 5y agoI guess it’s the same situation as in Spain - if you earn a degree and you stay in Portugal you’re a grade A idiot. In other words brain drain.