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"They have to, otherwise they wouldn't work." If you want to give some specific example, go ahead, but as is the statement is nonsensical. You can kill insect

"They have to, otherwise they wouldn't work." If you want to give some specific example, go ahead, but as is the statement is nonsensical. You can kill insects and pests with a neurochemical. Or you can put sharp rocks (diatomaceous earth) and traps to do the same, albeit with more labor and less efficacy. Are you sincerely arguing that these must be the same? That an organic burger has rat traps in it? This same insincere argument appears in every discussion about organic practices. A sort of hand wavy "it's all the same". No, it isn't all the same. Farming has been pushed to the level of extraordinary efficiency -- as mentioned, conventional farms are basically gross factories, having nothing to do with "nature" -- and to do this the practice is massive applications of pretty nasty chemicals. Not many organic farms operate in such a manner.

Nicksil 5y ago
>You can kill insects and pests with a neurochemical. Or you can put sharp rocks (diatomaceous earth) and traps to do the same, albeit with more labor and less efficacy. Are you sincerely arguing that these must be the same? That an organic burger has rat traps in it? What on Earth are you talking about? >having nothing to do with "nature" What does this mean? What, specifically, is the difference between conventional agriculture and organic with respect to your appeal to "nature"? >pretty nasty chemicals. What chemicals are you referring to here? >Not many organic farms operate in such a manner. Are you sure about that? How so?
- defaultname 5y ago
  While your replies seem to be made in bad faith, you claimed that organic pesticides/herbicides have the "same constituent chemicals". Which I guess if we're obtuse, sure -- everything is made of stardust (H2O, CH4, C10H15N...all look same) -- but otherwise it's just nonsense.
  - Nicksil 5y ago
    >While your replies seem to be made in bad faith This is absolutely false. And such an assertion, while dismissing my comments by saying everything is made of stardust, is indeed a reply in bad faith.

Nicksil 5y ago

>You can kill insects and pests with a neurochemical. Or you can put sharp rocks (diatomaceous earth) and traps to do the same, albeit with more labor and less efficacy. Are you sincerely arguing that these must be the same? That an organic burger has rat traps in it? What on Earth are you talking about? >having nothing to do with "nature" What does this mean? What, specifically, is the difference between conventional agriculture and organic with respect to your appeal to "nature"? >pretty nasty chemicals. What chemicals are you referring to here? >Not many organic farms operate in such a manner. Are you sure about that? How so?

defaultname 5y ago
While your replies seem to be made in bad faith, you claimed that organic pesticides/herbicides have the "same constituent chemicals". Which I guess if we're obtuse, sure -- everything is made of stardust (H2O, CH4, C10H15N...all look same) -- but otherwise it's just nonsense.
- Nicksil 5y ago
  >While your replies seem to be made in bad faith This is absolutely false. And such an assertion, while dismissing my comments by saying everything is made of stardust, is indeed a reply in bad faith.