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> They don't. Sending a Police Riot control unit against a group of people throwing stones and molotovs does not qualify as being terrorized. But sending an ar

> They don't. Sending a Police Riot control unit against a group of people throwing stones and molotovs does not qualify as being terrorized. But sending an army unit with an order "break the village" which results in shock grenades being dropped into a cradle with the baby inside does qualify them as being terrorized. Note: I'm Israeli and was working with people who got those orders and carried them out during their service.

DSingularity 5y ago
Thank you for your courage to say that. It is also funny how often people forget why the riots start in the first place. So often it seems to be that the riots are precipitated by egregious abuse by settlers/army/police/Israeli policy. Abuse the people long enough and they will rage.
- helge9210 5y ago
  There was a case couple of years ago near Salfit (Palestinian town near the end of the road 5). First, someone "shot at security vehicle". I remember telling my wife after reading the news: "See what happens next". Of course, the barged into Salfit to "retrieve video recordings from CCTV cameras" shooting some mid-aged man in front of his family. It was already clear, what will happen next. In couple of days 19 y.o. from Salfit approached IDF soldiers on nearby intersection, pulled the knife, stabbed one of the soldiers (19 y.o. musician from Beer Sheva), took his rifle, shot some more soldiers, then grabbed a car, shot some more settlers and escaped. He was later found and executed on the spot by army forces. Two teenagers dead only because prime minister needed some escalation to distract population from the trial. Did they find the original shooter, who "attacked" security vehicle?
  - FridayoLeary 5y ago
    >It was already clear, what will happen next. Is it? The attempted murder of innocent people? Is that the sort of behaviour that should be accepted and tolerated? because it sounds like you are saying that.
    - int_19h 5y ago
      It shouldn't be accepted and tolerated, but it's disingenuous to discuss it without mentioning the reasons why it happened in the first place.
    - CapricornNoble 5y ago
      I think he's saying the turn of events is tragically predictable, and we SHOULDN'T accept or tolerate it. That was my reading, anyway.
    - helge9210 5y ago
      > The attempted murder of innocent people? In your opinion, what should a teenager do after witnessing extrajudicial execution of his relative by occupying army?
      - FridayoLeary 5y ago
        In your opinion, how should the IDF act do if they know that every teenager can become a potential mass murderer? Your words, not mine. Bear in mind that soldiers are people and they can feel emotions such as fear and anger over dead comrades. Of course unjustified violence is not right, but you can't exactly expect them to engage in community relationships. They also can't ignore the status quo which involves terrorists acting with impunity like in the intafadas.
        helge9210 5y ago
        > how should the IDF act do Solution is simple: end the occupation. > which involves terrorists Your terrorists are someone else's freedom fighters.
        poisonarena 5y ago
        > Solution is simple: end the occupation. That is not an answer, might as well have just written "Free Palestine!" I would be interested in hearing your real solution, instead of just repeating a slogan. Nobody has been able to figure it out for decades.
yonixw 5y ago
1) You are making an hypothetical based on orders. Which amount to nothing. 2) Searching google for "shock grenades on a girl israel" will show you first a Jewish Ultra-Orthodox girl getting hit around a corona protest last year: https://twitter.com/almogbenzikri/status/1251004227956150273 https://twitter.com/almogbenzikri/status/1251004227956150273 So this is a police brutality issue, not a Palestine issue. 3) Based on your previous comments- "Hamas is an ally of Israel in Gaza" I'm thinking you are just out of the loop.
- helge9210 5y ago
  > 1) You are making an hypothetical based on orders. Which amount to nothing. No, my colleague actually spent time in jail for military crimes. > 2) Searching google for You get what you search for. > you are just out of the loop Or, what is more probable, you are just pushing Hasbara.
  - joelbluminator 5y ago
    Hasbara Hasbara. When you're pushing Palestinian narrative you're progressive. When you're pushing zionist narrative you're an evil Jew Hasbara troll.
    - DSingularity 5y ago
      Yeah, except the hasbara efforts are real and well documented. Pretty disingenuous for you to try and present OP in such a way.
      - joelbluminator 5y ago
        Every country in the world uses diplomacy and public relations to create a better strategic reality for itself, especially in times of conflict. Israel is no different than the U.S or Australia or the Palestinian Authority for that matter. It's pretty disingenuous of you to call it "Hasbara" when Israel does it as if it's some kind of Israeli phenomena.

DSingularity 5y ago

Thank you for your courage to say that. It is also funny how often people forget why the riots start in the first place. So often it seems to be that the riots are precipitated by egregious abuse by settlers/army/police/Israeli policy. Abuse the people long enough and they will rage.

helge9210 5y ago
There was a case couple of years ago near Salfit (Palestinian town near the end of the road 5). First, someone "shot at security vehicle". I remember telling my wife after reading the news: "See what happens next". Of course, the barged into Salfit to "retrieve video recordings from CCTV cameras" shooting some mid-aged man in front of his family. It was already clear, what will happen next. In couple of days 19 y.o. from Salfit approached IDF soldiers on nearby intersection, pulled the knife, stabbed one of the soldiers (19 y.o. musician from Beer Sheva), took his rifle, shot some more soldiers, then grabbed a car, shot some more settlers and escaped. He was later found and executed on the spot by army forces. Two teenagers dead only because prime minister needed some escalation to distract population from the trial. Did they find the original shooter, who "attacked" security vehicle?
- FridayoLeary 5y ago
  >It was already clear, what will happen next. Is it? The attempted murder of innocent people? Is that the sort of behaviour that should be accepted and tolerated? because it sounds like you are saying that.
  - int_19h 5y ago
    It shouldn't be accepted and tolerated, but it's disingenuous to discuss it without mentioning the reasons why it happened in the first place.
  - CapricornNoble 5y ago
    I think he's saying the turn of events is tragically predictable, and we SHOULDN'T accept or tolerate it. That was my reading, anyway.
  - helge9210 5y ago
    > The attempted murder of innocent people? In your opinion, what should a teenager do after witnessing extrajudicial execution of his relative by occupying army?
    - FridayoLeary 5y ago
      In your opinion, how should the IDF act do if they know that every teenager can become a potential mass murderer? Your words, not mine. Bear in mind that soldiers are people and they can feel emotions such as fear and anger over dead comrades. Of course unjustified violence is not right, but you can't exactly expect them to engage in community relationships. They also can't ignore the status quo which involves terrorists acting with impunity like in the intafadas.
      - helge9210 5y ago
        > how should the IDF act do Solution is simple: end the occupation. > which involves terrorists Your terrorists are someone else's freedom fighters.
        poisonarena 5y ago
        > Solution is simple: end the occupation. That is not an answer, might as well have just written "Free Palestine!" I would be interested in hearing your real solution, instead of just repeating a slogan. Nobody has been able to figure it out for decades.

yonixw 5y ago

1) You are making an hypothetical based on orders. Which amount to nothing. 2) Searching google for "shock grenades on a girl israel" will show you first a Jewish Ultra-Orthodox girl getting hit around a corona protest last year: https://twitter.com/almogbenzikri/status/1251004227956150273 https://twitter.com/almogbenzikri/status/1251004227956150273 So this is a police brutality issue, not a Palestine issue. 3) Based on your previous comments- "Hamas is an ally of Israel in Gaza" I'm thinking you are just out of the loop.

helge9210 5y ago
> 1) You are making an hypothetical based on orders. Which amount to nothing. No, my colleague actually spent time in jail for military crimes. > 2) Searching google for You get what you search for. > you are just out of the loop Or, what is more probable, you are just pushing Hasbara.
- joelbluminator 5y ago
  Hasbara Hasbara. When you're pushing Palestinian narrative you're progressive. When you're pushing zionist narrative you're an evil Jew Hasbara troll.
  - DSingularity 5y ago
    Yeah, except the hasbara efforts are real and well documented. Pretty disingenuous for you to try and present OP in such a way.
    - joelbluminator 5y ago
      Every country in the world uses diplomacy and public relations to create a better strategic reality for itself, especially in times of conflict. Israel is no different than the U.S or Australia or the Palestinian Authority for that matter. It's pretty disingenuous of you to call it "Hasbara" when Israel does it as if it's some kind of Israeli phenomena.