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Have you told your client that you are making use of tools that upload the intellectual property they’ve shared with you / they’ve paid you to create for them,

by numair 5y ago

Have you told your client that you are making use of tools that upload the intellectual property they’ve shared with you / they’ve paid you to create for them, onto third-party servers? If I was paying for work and the contractor was uploading the end result onto some sort of shared AI training set, we would not be working together for very long. You may have brought up an excellent point that needs to be inserted into new legal contracts — either an opt in or out regarding the use of tools of various kinds that upload data into the cloud to “help” you. Maybe other companies would be okay with stuff like Copilot if it allows them to pay less money for developers who can’t write proper code without it, or something. I don’t know. I know that I want nothing to do with these sorts of systems, and I don’t want any of my code anywhere near it. I’ll definitely try to make sure nobody with access to my private repos has any of that nonsense enabled. Maybe the legal version of Copilot can write an appropriate contract clause for us?

rustc 5y ago
> uploading the end result onto some sort of shared AI training set Does Copilot use the data it collects for training their AI? From their terms [1] > GitHub Copilot does not use these URLs, file paths, or snippets collected in your telemetry as suggestions for other users of GitHub Copilot. This information is treated as confidential information and accessed on a need-to-know basis. [1] https://docs.github.com/en/github/copilot/github-copilot-telemetry-terms https://docs.github.com/en/github/copilot/github-copilot-tel...
- ffhhj 5y ago
  > for other users So someone just needs access to your account to get snippets from your private code.
- siproprio 5y ago
  > when you edit files with the GitHub Copilot extension/plugin enabled, file content snippets, suggestions, and any modifications to suggestions will be shared with GitHub, Microsoft, and OpenAI You don't even need to have a git repo initialized, or even have the source be on github. You literally just need to be signed on - they made a vim plugin - and copilot will suck up all the locally edited files as well.
rustc 5y ago
> Have you told your client that you are making use of tools that upload the intellectual property they’ve shared with you / they’ve paid you to create for them, onto third-party servers? Related: Have any of the big tech companies banned their employees from using Copilot yet?
- notsureaboutpg 5y ago
  Mine has. I work for a big tech company, and the team which approves / denies third-party software denied us to use Copilot. The given reason was that we don't want it to use our code to train its algorithms. I'm not sure how true that is, but it's what we have been told at the moment.
paulintrognon 5y ago
> you are making use of tools that upload the intellectual property [...] onto third-party servers? That's the whole point: if they did, it was NOT willingly: they have the intellectual property stored in a completely separate folder, which should not be uploaded to Github.
- mixmastamyk 5y ago
  The wider point is that you cannot trust these tools. You cannot trust these companies. It has been demonstrated numerous times.
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by numair 5y ago

rustc 5y ago

> uploading the end result onto some sort of shared AI training set Does Copilot use the data it collects for training their AI? From their terms [1] > GitHub Copilot does not use these URLs, file paths, or snippets collected in your telemetry as suggestions for other users of GitHub Copilot. This information is treated as confidential information and accessed on a need-to-know basis. [1] https://docs.github.com/en/github/copilot/github-copilot-telemetry-terms https://docs.github.com/en/github/copilot/github-copilot-tel...

ffhhj 5y ago
> for other users So someone just needs access to your account to get snippets from your private code.
siproprio 5y ago
> when you edit files with the GitHub Copilot extension/plugin enabled, file content snippets, suggestions, and any modifications to suggestions will be shared with GitHub, Microsoft, and OpenAI You don't even need to have a git repo initialized, or even have the source be on github. You literally just need to be signed on - they made a vim plugin - and copilot will suck up all the locally edited files as well.

rustc 5y ago

> Have you told your client that you are making use of tools that upload the intellectual property they’ve shared with you / they’ve paid you to create for them, onto third-party servers? Related: Have any of the big tech companies banned their employees from using Copilot yet?

notsureaboutpg 5y ago
Mine has. I work for a big tech company, and the team which approves / denies third-party software denied us to use Copilot. The given reason was that we don't want it to use our code to train its algorithms. I'm not sure how true that is, but it's what we have been told at the moment.

paulintrognon 5y ago

> you are making use of tools that upload the intellectual property [...] onto third-party servers? That's the whole point: if they did, it was NOT willingly: they have the intellectual property stored in a completely separate folder, which should not be uploaded to Github.

mixmastamyk 5y ago
The wider point is that you cannot trust these tools. You cannot trust these companies. It has been demonstrated numerous times.

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