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Oh yeah, they've done a real bang-up job... https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01..latest&facet=n

Oh yeah, they've done a real bang-up job... https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01..latest&facet=none&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=SWE~NOR~DNK~FIN https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor...

reindeer76 5y ago
https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01..latest&facet=none&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=SWE~NOR~DNK~FIN~Europe~USA~GBR https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor...
- onychomys 5y ago
  Yeah, other places did an even worse job, that doesn't really mean that the Swedes did a good one. (And, of course, we should remember that the European line is not independent of the Swedish one.)
Gravityloss 5y ago
Exactly. Sweden, like many other countries, estimated that the virus was spreading very fast, too fast to contain, but also with low symptoms or lethality. The assumption was wrong, a lot fewer people had contracted it, and a high percentage had bad symptomps or died. A lot of other countries had these assumptions too, but they reversed them when they got new information. Instead of the virus being unstoppable, it was succesfully stopped in many Asian countries. For some reason, Sweden didn't change their policies much. Sweden has a good healthcare system, so not so many died compared to the number of infections. 14,000 deaths is a massive legacy. Some 10% of Swedes have had Corona. So if 10% of those get long covid, there can be one percentage of the population affected by that. The Estonia disaster is nothing compared to this. Sweden avoided the world wars as well. One would have to go pretty far back to find a catastrophe of these proportions. Sweden's policy has been held by some American politicians as a success, something to emulate. No, it has been a failure. UK and USA are doing badly as well. https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01..latest&facet=none&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=SWE~NOR~DNK~FIN~GBR~USA https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor...
- gus_massa 5y ago
  > So if 10% of those get long covid Do you have a source for that estimation? Also, note that in spite Denmark has like 1/4 od the death per million than Sweden, they have like 1/2 of the cases per million (and sadly going up with a higher slope). Do you think that 0.5% of the Denmark population will get long covid?
  - Gravityloss 5y ago
    Yes, if 5% of your population has had Covid and long Covid is 10% of those, 0.5% of your population has now Long Covid. With the small caveat that Denmark is a bit special as they have been testing like crazy so they might have less actual cases than other countries, compared to the amount of positive tests. But I don't know of any great sources pinning it to 10%. Could be higher or lower. Some samples: 50%: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/10/211013114112.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/10/211013114112.h... Over 25%: https://time.com/6073522/long-covid-prevalence/ https://time.com/6073522/long-covid-prevalence/ One more thing is different now, that many people now get a positive test result when they have been vaccinated. The percentage of long covid might be different now, if the symptoms are milder too.

reindeer76 5y ago

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01..latest&facet=none&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=SWE~NOR~DNK~FIN~Europe~USA~GBR https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor...

onychomys 5y ago
Yeah, other places did an even worse job, that doesn't really mean that the Swedes did a good one. (And, of course, we should remember that the European line is not independent of the Swedish one.)

Gravityloss 5y ago

Exactly. Sweden, like many other countries, estimated that the virus was spreading very fast, too fast to contain, but also with low symptoms or lethality. The assumption was wrong, a lot fewer people had contracted it, and a high percentage had bad symptomps or died. A lot of other countries had these assumptions too, but they reversed them when they got new information. Instead of the virus being unstoppable, it was succesfully stopped in many Asian countries. For some reason, Sweden didn't change their policies much. Sweden has a good healthcare system, so not so many died compared to the number of infections. 14,000 deaths is a massive legacy. Some 10% of Swedes have had Corona. So if 10% of those get long covid, there can be one percentage of the population affected by that. The Estonia disaster is nothing compared to this. Sweden avoided the world wars as well. One would have to go pretty far back to find a catastrophe of these proportions. Sweden's policy has been held by some American politicians as a success, something to emulate. No, it has been a failure. UK and USA are doing badly as well. https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01..latest&facet=none&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=SWE~NOR~DNK~FIN~GBR~USA https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor...

gus_massa 5y ago
> So if 10% of those get long covid Do you have a source for that estimation? Also, note that in spite Denmark has like 1/4 od the death per million than Sweden, they have like 1/2 of the cases per million (and sadly going up with a higher slope). Do you think that 0.5% of the Denmark population will get long covid?
- Gravityloss 5y ago
  Yes, if 5% of your population has had Covid and long Covid is 10% of those, 0.5% of your population has now Long Covid. With the small caveat that Denmark is a bit special as they have been testing like crazy so they might have less actual cases than other countries, compared to the amount of positive tests. But I don't know of any great sources pinning it to 10%. Could be higher or lower. Some samples: 50%: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/10/211013114112.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/10/211013114112.h... Over 25%: https://time.com/6073522/long-covid-prevalence/ https://time.com/6073522/long-covid-prevalence/ One more thing is different now, that many people now get a positive test result when they have been vaccinated. The percentage of long covid might be different now, if the symptoms are milder too.