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> It's clickbait. Unambiguously detailing and addressing a issue of meaningful concern is the opposite of clickbait. > To address the content, I know many lon

> It's clickbait. Unambiguously detailing and addressing a issue of meaningful concern is the opposite of clickbait. > To address the content, I know many long distance runners try to keep their body mass down. This doesn't indicate clickbait. It does raise a Q about why your response to an article focusing on womens' issues is by evidencing a group heavy with men.

henriquez 5y ago
If you're going to be a competitive runner or cyclist you can't be carrying around extra body fat and hope to be competitive. I dealt with this when I was doing men's sports in college, and to be fair I did develop an eating disorder to try to keep up. So this isn't really a women's issue or even a "body shaming" issue, it's about whether or not a person is able to compete in a competitive sport. At the very end of TFA they suggest that "maybe" a person could have extra weight and _still_ be competitive. Obviously the writer wasn't an athlete lol
- WarOnPrivacy 5y ago
  > If you're going to be a competitive runner or cyclist you can't be carrying around extra body fat and hope to be competitive. The article directly addresses this by discussing how offered body fat goals approach unhealthy levels for women. > So this isn't really a women's issue That healthy body fat levels differ between men/women and that women are expected to adhere to body fat goals that are most reasonable for men - that kind of makes this a textbook example of a womens' ussue. and It's still not clickbait.
  - henriquez 5y ago
    It depends on the person and their body. In my case the body fat goals were also unhealthy, because I am not as genetically gifted as some of my peers towards the kind of body makeup needed to compete on my team. Some people have bodies that are more ideal for running (longer legs, leaner, better baseline endurance, etc.) For everyone who isn't gifted they are going to have to work a lot harder to try and keep up, and that might involve pushing to a degree past where their body is okay maintaining, and that is _necessarily unhealthy._ That's not the sport being bad so much as the person not being an ideal competitive athlete in that sport. Sports aren't about catering to the egos of the individual competitors. People can go on Instagram for that.
    - WarOnPrivacy 5y ago
      Women's health trends are not well exampled by anecdotal tales about men - because trends and anecdotes tend to be incompatible by nature.
PaulHoule 5y ago
It is not a women's or men's issue. I know female athletes (not endurance) who can lift more weight than I can. Athletes of all kinds balance performance vs. the risk of injury. It is one thing to risk getting hurt if it is going to win the game, it is another thing to risk getting hurt for nothing. On any given Sunday you will see this play out in the NFL but it is a big factor in baseball and other sports. Thus being an elite athlete means taking risks that don't make sense otherwise. Today athletes are getting smarter at managing this (look at Tom Brady vs Joe Namath.) Women's sport is becoming a bigger business and as it does women are going to increasingly run into the same issues, but with their own differences. For instance women are more likely to get ACL tears when they are menstruating and that should be taken into account in terms of how they train and how they play. (e.g. that is the day for the backup players) "Clickbait" has nothing to do with whether or not something is factual but rather with the emotional tone. This article used the phrase "body shaming" when nothing of the sort was going on. If they published the results for the public or the whole team or put extreme pressure on the women it would be. In this case they were giving the athletes the information and not even sharing it with the coach, which is pretty respectful.
- WarOnPrivacy 5y ago
  > "Clickbait" has nothing to do with whether or not something is factual but rather with the emotional tone. Generally not. You seem to be confusing the nature of clickbait with some broad writing methodologies that can be part of a clickbait method. Clickbait itself tends to refer to content that isn't substantive or isn't well reflected by the title. Neither of those is meaningfully descriptive of the article.

henriquez 5y ago

If you're going to be a competitive runner or cyclist you can't be carrying around extra body fat and hope to be competitive. I dealt with this when I was doing men's sports in college, and to be fair I did develop an eating disorder to try to keep up. So this isn't really a women's issue or even a "body shaming" issue, it's about whether or not a person is able to compete in a competitive sport. At the very end of TFA they suggest that "maybe" a person could have extra weight and _still_ be competitive. Obviously the writer wasn't an athlete lol

WarOnPrivacy 5y ago
> If you're going to be a competitive runner or cyclist you can't be carrying around extra body fat and hope to be competitive. The article directly addresses this by discussing how offered body fat goals approach unhealthy levels for women. > So this isn't really a women's issue That healthy body fat levels differ between men/women and that women are expected to adhere to body fat goals that are most reasonable for men - that kind of makes this a textbook example of a womens' ussue. and It's still not clickbait.
- henriquez 5y ago
  It depends on the person and their body. In my case the body fat goals were also unhealthy, because I am not as genetically gifted as some of my peers towards the kind of body makeup needed to compete on my team. Some people have bodies that are more ideal for running (longer legs, leaner, better baseline endurance, etc.) For everyone who isn't gifted they are going to have to work a lot harder to try and keep up, and that might involve pushing to a degree past where their body is okay maintaining, and that is _necessarily unhealthy._ That's not the sport being bad so much as the person not being an ideal competitive athlete in that sport. Sports aren't about catering to the egos of the individual competitors. People can go on Instagram for that.
  - WarOnPrivacy 5y ago
    Women's health trends are not well exampled by anecdotal tales about men - because trends and anecdotes tend to be incompatible by nature.

PaulHoule 5y ago

It is not a women's or men's issue. I know female athletes (not endurance) who can lift more weight than I can. Athletes of all kinds balance performance vs. the risk of injury. It is one thing to risk getting hurt if it is going to win the game, it is another thing to risk getting hurt for nothing. On any given Sunday you will see this play out in the NFL but it is a big factor in baseball and other sports. Thus being an elite athlete means taking risks that don't make sense otherwise. Today athletes are getting smarter at managing this (look at Tom Brady vs Joe Namath.) Women's sport is becoming a bigger business and as it does women are going to increasingly run into the same issues, but with their own differences. For instance women are more likely to get ACL tears when they are menstruating and that should be taken into account in terms of how they train and how they play. (e.g. that is the day for the backup players) "Clickbait" has nothing to do with whether or not something is factual but rather with the emotional tone. This article used the phrase "body shaming" when nothing of the sort was going on. If they published the results for the public or the whole team or put extreme pressure on the women it would be. In this case they were giving the athletes the information and not even sharing it with the coach, which is pretty respectful.

WarOnPrivacy 5y ago
> "Clickbait" has nothing to do with whether or not something is factual but rather with the emotional tone. Generally not. You seem to be confusing the nature of clickbait with some broad writing methodologies that can be part of a clickbait method. Clickbait itself tends to refer to content that isn't substantive or isn't well reflected by the title. Neither of those is meaningfully descriptive of the article.