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Regardless of whether the sickness is real, it is amazing these things can be built next to people's houses without just compensation. Simply the non stop nois

Regardless of whether the sickness is real, it is amazing these things can be built next to people's houses without just compensation. Simply the non stop noise would be more than enough to ensure you could never sell your house for even half of what you paid for it.

rcMgD2BwE72F 5y ago
Climate change cause real sickness (heat waves kill, for one) and my appartment in Paris has become unlivable for days, almost every summer now. Coal, oil and gas won't compensate me, for the price of my flat and the impact on my health either. This impact many more people than wind, so where should we start?
- rcMgD2BwE72F 5y ago
  Idem for the noise of airplanes (around 1/3 of them are private jets) that keep waking me up at 3 AM.
  - dvhh 5y ago
    In Paris ?
- rguillebert 5y ago
  Coal, oil and gas kills people https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/death-rates-from-energy-production-per-twh https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/death-rates-from-energy-p...
- skocznymroczny 5y ago
  You could try to sue the government. In Poland there has been some celebrities suing the government for "refusing to take action against climate change" and they won some compensation which they officially sent towards charity.
- boudin 5y ago
  It's not black or white though. If wind turbines does have an impact, it should be studied and understood so that, whatever the reason is behind the impact, it can be taken into account. If not, there will always be the risk of backlash that would help nobody. If the causes are understood, then there can be ways to control the impact, solve those issues or, at least, have a better idea where those should and should not be implanted.
- gjs278 5y ago
  get an air conditioner lol
- vixen99 5y ago
  And cold impacts many more people than heat. Has climate change altered this statistic? I have no idea but to date, have seen no evidence that cold-related deaths have diminished in recent years. 'Cold weather kills 20 times as many people as hot weather, according to an international study analysing over 74 million deaths in 384 locations across 13 countries including Australia, Brazil, Canada, China, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Spain, Sweden, Taiwan, Thailand, UK, and USA. The findings, published in The Lancet, also reveal that deaths due to moderately hot or cold weather substantially exceed those resulting from extreme heat waves or cold spells.' https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/627630 https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/627630
- HamburgerEmoji 5y ago
  Heat waves kill fewer than in the past, by far. In 1911 a heat wave apparently killed 41,000 people in Paris. That couldn't have been due to CO2. It was due to lack of cheap, plentiful electricity and air conditioning.
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sidewndr46 5y ago
Having camped underneath one briefly, I can tell you there is no way I could live with one nearby my house. It's an extremely low frequency noise with a huge amplitude. I can tolerate it for a while, but it really wears on me quickly. Also, earplugs & hearing protection do nothing to actually stop the noise. It isn't loud enough to cause ear damage anyways. But I can still hear it even with the hearing protection on.
- criddell 5y ago
  Is there any type of active noise cancelling device that could be installed at the turbine that would work?
gambiting 5y ago
I used to think it's all nonsense and people just complaining about nothing, but now I have a wind turbine about 500m away from my house and I can absolutely hear it at night, just constant low frequency droning combined with a whooshing sound of the blades. Like, I've gotten somewhat used to it now, but I'd lie if I said it doesn't bother me. And again, I don't want to come across as someone against green technologies, we should be building lots and lots of these everywhere.....just maybe not this close to housing.
- bikeshaving 5y ago
  Would you say it’s worse or better than living near a highway without sound barriers?
  - gambiting 5y ago
    It's different - I used to live next to major road, and yeah it was louder in intensity, for sure, but at least it would die down quite a lot during the night, and you'd only ocassionally get a car/motorbike with a loud exhaust passing by. This really bothers me because it's just constant and completely unchanging, I keep lying in bed and hearing the whoosh, whoosh, whoosh, whoosh.....with cars I'm just like ok, there was a loud motorbike but it's gone now. With a wind turbine I know it won't change, and either I have to get used to it or....well, move out I guess, and that sucks.
    - arcticfox 5y ago
      YMMV but I for the past few years I have been sleeping with Bose QuietComfort earbuds with active noise cancelling and they've significantly improved my life. Loud noises that would have woken me in the past are dampened enough that I can sleep through them, and annoying hums or whatever while traveling are just completely gone.
      - gambiting 5y ago
        Yeah so actually I use my Sony WF-1000XM3 headphones often when falling asleep, or I just put on some rain sounds on my phone next to me - that's usually enough.
luch 5y ago
now I think they can't be built less than 350 m from any house, and if they are in the 350 m to 500 m range they must be an impact study before approving the construction. However there wasn't such rules when the first wind turbine were built circa ~2005, and you have to keep in mind that wind turbines are usually located in places less desirable for housing and farming due to excessive wind. Moreover, it's usually the mayor's office or the county's office which approve the construction. There was instances where the turbines were located at the edge of one county and they didn't check if it were bothering the neighbooring county before signing the deal.
Ekaros 5y ago
One wonders if there isn't any issues why aren't these build in parks and other places in cities? Surely we should be green and make savings from shortened transmission distances...
- orra 5y ago
  I realise you’re being flippant, but if you turn parks into windfarms then suddenly many, many people have no access to any green space. Transmission isn’t that expensive in the scheme of things. Else offshore wind, of which I am a fan, would not be viable.
  - Ekaros 5y ago
    There would be plenty of room around them in parks. The foot prints are not that big.
    - orra 5y ago
      OK, but isn't the flip side of low density that there just wouldn't be enough of them to generate a meaningful amount of electricity?
baud147258 5y ago
If heard from people (in France) that some were even built in their village without permits, usually with the mayor buying agricultural land and getting a fat bonus that way; of course the owner living on the other side of the village, far from any potential impact.
baby 5y ago
I’m reading this amazing magazine that tells investigation stories through comics[1] (in French) and there’s a story about a number of farmers who have issues with their cows dying or refusing to sleep in the barn at night. And when the wind turbines are down for maintenance they have no problem. Apparently they were able to track this data and somewhat prove the link, I’m not sure what’s the status on that. [1]: https://www.larevuedessinee.fr/ https://www.larevuedessinee.fr/

rcMgD2BwE72F 5y ago

Climate change cause real sickness (heat waves kill, for one) and my appartment in Paris has become unlivable for days, almost every summer now. Coal, oil and gas won't compensate me, for the price of my flat and the impact on my health either. This impact many more people than wind, so where should we start?

rcMgD2BwE72F 5y ago
Idem for the noise of airplanes (around 1/3 of them are private jets) that keep waking me up at 3 AM.
- dvhh 5y ago
  In Paris ?
rguillebert 5y ago
Coal, oil and gas kills people https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/death-rates-from-energy-production-per-twh https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/death-rates-from-energy-p...
skocznymroczny 5y ago
You could try to sue the government. In Poland there has been some celebrities suing the government for "refusing to take action against climate change" and they won some compensation which they officially sent towards charity.
boudin 5y ago
It's not black or white though. If wind turbines does have an impact, it should be studied and understood so that, whatever the reason is behind the impact, it can be taken into account. If not, there will always be the risk of backlash that would help nobody. If the causes are understood, then there can be ways to control the impact, solve those issues or, at least, have a better idea where those should and should not be implanted.
gjs278 5y ago
get an air conditioner lol
vixen99 5y ago
And cold impacts many more people than heat. Has climate change altered this statistic? I have no idea but to date, have seen no evidence that cold-related deaths have diminished in recent years. 'Cold weather kills 20 times as many people as hot weather, according to an international study analysing over 74 million deaths in 384 locations across 13 countries including Australia, Brazil, Canada, China, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Spain, Sweden, Taiwan, Thailand, UK, and USA. The findings, published in The Lancet, also reveal that deaths due to moderately hot or cold weather substantially exceed those resulting from extreme heat waves or cold spells.' https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/627630 https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/627630
HamburgerEmoji 5y ago
Heat waves kill fewer than in the past, by far. In 1911 a heat wave apparently killed 41,000 people in Paris. That couldn't have been due to CO2. It was due to lack of cheap, plentiful electricity and air conditioning.

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sidewndr46 5y ago

Having camped underneath one briefly, I can tell you there is no way I could live with one nearby my house. It's an extremely low frequency noise with a huge amplitude. I can tolerate it for a while, but it really wears on me quickly. Also, earplugs & hearing protection do nothing to actually stop the noise. It isn't loud enough to cause ear damage anyways. But I can still hear it even with the hearing protection on.

criddell 5y ago
Is there any type of active noise cancelling device that could be installed at the turbine that would work?

gambiting 5y ago

I used to think it's all nonsense and people just complaining about nothing, but now I have a wind turbine about 500m away from my house and I can absolutely hear it at night, just constant low frequency droning combined with a whooshing sound of the blades. Like, I've gotten somewhat used to it now, but I'd lie if I said it doesn't bother me. And again, I don't want to come across as someone against green technologies, we should be building lots and lots of these everywhere.....just maybe not this close to housing.

bikeshaving 5y ago
Would you say it’s worse or better than living near a highway without sound barriers?
- gambiting 5y ago
  It's different - I used to live next to major road, and yeah it was louder in intensity, for sure, but at least it would die down quite a lot during the night, and you'd only ocassionally get a car/motorbike with a loud exhaust passing by. This really bothers me because it's just constant and completely unchanging, I keep lying in bed and hearing the whoosh, whoosh, whoosh, whoosh.....with cars I'm just like ok, there was a loud motorbike but it's gone now. With a wind turbine I know it won't change, and either I have to get used to it or....well, move out I guess, and that sucks.
  - arcticfox 5y ago
    YMMV but I for the past few years I have been sleeping with Bose QuietComfort earbuds with active noise cancelling and they've significantly improved my life. Loud noises that would have woken me in the past are dampened enough that I can sleep through them, and annoying hums or whatever while traveling are just completely gone.
    - gambiting 5y ago
      Yeah so actually I use my Sony WF-1000XM3 headphones often when falling asleep, or I just put on some rain sounds on my phone next to me - that's usually enough.

luch 5y ago

now I think they can't be built less than 350 m from any house, and if they are in the 350 m to 500 m range they must be an impact study before approving the construction. However there wasn't such rules when the first wind turbine were built circa ~2005, and you have to keep in mind that wind turbines are usually located in places less desirable for housing and farming due to excessive wind. Moreover, it's usually the mayor's office or the county's office which approve the construction. There was instances where the turbines were located at the edge of one county and they didn't check if it were bothering the neighbooring county before signing the deal.

Ekaros 5y ago

One wonders if there isn't any issues why aren't these build in parks and other places in cities? Surely we should be green and make savings from shortened transmission distances...

orra 5y ago
I realise you’re being flippant, but if you turn parks into windfarms then suddenly many, many people have no access to any green space. Transmission isn’t that expensive in the scheme of things. Else offshore wind, of which I am a fan, would not be viable.
- Ekaros 5y ago
  There would be plenty of room around them in parks. The foot prints are not that big.
  - orra 5y ago
    OK, but isn't the flip side of low density that there just wouldn't be enough of them to generate a meaningful amount of electricity?

baud147258 5y ago

If heard from people (in France) that some were even built in their village without permits, usually with the mayor buying agricultural land and getting a fat bonus that way; of course the owner living on the other side of the village, far from any potential impact.

baby 5y ago

I’m reading this amazing magazine that tells investigation stories through comics[1] (in French) and there’s a story about a number of farmers who have issues with their cows dying or refusing to sleep in the barn at night. And when the wind turbines are down for maintenance they have no problem. Apparently they were able to track this data and somewhat prove the link, I’m not sure what’s the status on that. [1]: https://www.larevuedessinee.fr/ https://www.larevuedessinee.fr/