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The Pinephone also has hardware switches: https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/File:Pinephone_backside.png https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/File:Pinephone_backside.png Wi

by sva_ 5y ago

The Pinephone also has hardware switches: https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/File:Pinephone_backside.png https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/File:Pinephone_backside.png Wish the hardware was better.

fsflover 5y ago
But Pinephone's switches are not easily accessible: You can't switch your microphone on while receiving a call (unlike on Librem 5). Also, no lockdown mode for sensors.
- megous 5y ago
  You can't really trust HW switches either. Someone who has physical control over the phone for a while can easily short the switch so that it's basically on all the time no matter the position. (they can do it at the same time they'll be installing the SW backdoor) ;)
  - fsflover 5y ago
    > Someone who has physical control over the phone for a while So you shouldn't give your phone to anyone you do not trust? (Also, AFAIK, you can simply reinstall all software yourself.)
    - megous 5y ago
      If using trusted software is enough, then HW switches are pointless anyway.
      - fsflover 5y ago
        Nothing is "enough". It's defense in depth.
  - skinkestek 5y ago
    It might be meant as a joke but I am so tired of every comment that seems to imply that trying to do anything is pointless: Yes, a significantly advanced adversary can always get your communications if they want, but every time someone does choose the more secure option it raises the bar for them.
    - megous 5y ago
      What's the point of security measures if you just dismiss their weak points? "FBI is comming for me, but I have my HDD encrypted..." Well, how well did HDD encryption serve that guy who the FBI just pulled the turned on/unlocked notebook from before he noticed what's going on and was able to react? He might just as well not bothered, when he knew "FBI" is in his threat model, and didn't account for this obvious attack in any real way.
      - skinkestek 5y ago
        It is about the tone of the message. If you had instead written something along the lines of "for those who have mighty adversaries and who actually need this for their own security, one should be aware that things like hardware switches only go so far" and then an explanation. Instead you wrote it in a way that I and probably a lot of others took to mean: even hardware switches doesn't matter.
- swiley 5y ago
  IMO: the software on the PinePhone is significantly more trustworthy than most devices (as long as you're not careless or install non-free apps.) The switches are there more for the sake of completeness but I would just as soon trust muting the microphone in pavucontrol.
  - fsflover 5y ago
    It depends on your threat model.
- viccuad 5y ago
  someone should just 3d print a back case for the pinephone that exposes them. Or better, instruct on how to cut the current case, and 3d print a lever system that matches the hole, for easily action on the switches from outside.
  - fsflover 5y ago
    > someone should just 3d print a back case for the pinephone that exposes them. I have a Pinephone. Those switches are very tiny and probably not designed for everyday switching, even if you connect them to larger ones.
rjsw 5y ago
The switches don't disable the accelerometer and magnetometer.
matheusmoreira 5y ago
> Wish the hardware was better. Same here, the hardware is really underwhelming.
weberer 5y ago
>Wish the hardware was better Well I have good news for you https://www.pine64.org/2021/10/15/october-update-introducing-the-pinephone-pro/ https://www.pine64.org/2021/10/15/october-update-introducing...
- sva_ 5y ago
  Well that's great news! Sadly, the camera is still a potato, relatively speaking, compared to ie Pixel 6 Pro or S21 Ultra. And the camera is pretty much the main criteria of choosing a phone for me, because I like the outdoors a lot, and I take many photos (and I can't get myself to carry around a 'real' camera - or getting into that whole topic.)

by sva_ 5y ago

The Pinephone also has hardware switches: https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/File:Pinephone_backside.png https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/File:Pinephone_backside.png Wish the hardware was better.

fsflover 5y ago

But Pinephone's switches are not easily accessible: You can't switch your microphone on while receiving a call (unlike on Librem 5). Also, no lockdown mode for sensors.

megous 5y ago
You can't really trust HW switches either. Someone who has physical control over the phone for a while can easily short the switch so that it's basically on all the time no matter the position. (they can do it at the same time they'll be installing the SW backdoor) ;)
- fsflover 5y ago
  > Someone who has physical control over the phone for a while So you shouldn't give your phone to anyone you do not trust? (Also, AFAIK, you can simply reinstall all software yourself.)
  - megous 5y ago
    If using trusted software is enough, then HW switches are pointless anyway.
    - fsflover 5y ago
      Nothing is "enough". It's defense in depth.
- skinkestek 5y ago
  It might be meant as a joke but I am so tired of every comment that seems to imply that trying to do anything is pointless: Yes, a significantly advanced adversary can always get your communications if they want, but every time someone does choose the more secure option it raises the bar for them.
  - megous 5y ago
    What's the point of security measures if you just dismiss their weak points? "FBI is comming for me, but I have my HDD encrypted..." Well, how well did HDD encryption serve that guy who the FBI just pulled the turned on/unlocked notebook from before he noticed what's going on and was able to react? He might just as well not bothered, when he knew "FBI" is in his threat model, and didn't account for this obvious attack in any real way.
    - skinkestek 5y ago
      It is about the tone of the message. If you had instead written something along the lines of "for those who have mighty adversaries and who actually need this for their own security, one should be aware that things like hardware switches only go so far" and then an explanation. Instead you wrote it in a way that I and probably a lot of others took to mean: even hardware switches doesn't matter.
swiley 5y ago
IMO: the software on the PinePhone is significantly more trustworthy than most devices (as long as you're not careless or install non-free apps.) The switches are there more for the sake of completeness but I would just as soon trust muting the microphone in pavucontrol.
- fsflover 5y ago
  It depends on your threat model.
viccuad 5y ago
someone should just 3d print a back case for the pinephone that exposes them. Or better, instruct on how to cut the current case, and 3d print a lever system that matches the hole, for easily action on the switches from outside.
- fsflover 5y ago
  > someone should just 3d print a back case for the pinephone that exposes them. I have a Pinephone. Those switches are very tiny and probably not designed for everyday switching, even if you connect them to larger ones.

rjsw 5y ago

The switches don't disable the accelerometer and magnetometer.

matheusmoreira 5y ago

> Wish the hardware was better. Same here, the hardware is really underwhelming.

weberer 5y ago

>Wish the hardware was better Well I have good news for you https://www.pine64.org/2021/10/15/october-update-introducing-the-pinephone-pro/ https://www.pine64.org/2021/10/15/october-update-introducing...

sva_ 5y ago
Well that's great news! Sadly, the camera is still a potato, relatively speaking, compared to ie Pixel 6 Pro or S21 Ultra. And the camera is pretty much the main criteria of choosing a phone for me, because I like the outdoors a lot, and I take many photos (and I can't get myself to carry around a 'real' camera - or getting into that whole topic.)