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The day hope for justice died. Yes I remember.

by ganzuul 5y ago

kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
But there wasn't an actual verdict, or was there?
- n8cpdx 5y ago
  No, Aaron never gave the justice system a chance to work. In more serious cases involving crimes against the state, hopeful, merciful outcomes have been found, as in the Chelsea Manning case: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning I don’t think we should be glorifying a person who took his own life before facing justice.
  - modo_mario 5y ago
    >No, Aaron never gave the justice system a chance to work. I'd say his case was proof that the system didn't work. JSTOR dropped charges and urged for others to do the same yet that didn't go anywhere. It involve a credible threat of potentially up to $1 million in fines, 35 years in prison and restitution. A threat that would push anyone to to take the plea deal in the process avoiding reaching for actual justice. (And even that plea deal was ridiculous) If that's how it's supposed to work then it's fucked. >as in the Chelsea Manning case Someone exposing crimes for moral reasons "only" sentenced to 35 years of maximum security. Was this attended as some misplaced sarcasm?
  - bo1024 5y ago
    On the contrary, the justice system was working against him for the entire two years between his arrest and suicide. Additional indictments, plea deals, counter-offers, threats, etc. Two years of a person's life before they even get to trial! That's the American "justice" system. In fact, in the federal justice system, only 2% of defendants end up going to trial -- most end up accepting a plea deal (and we can guess how much bullying and threatening go into that). By analogy to your argument, 98% of defendants never "face justice". Or maybe better put, they never receive justice. A source: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/11/only-2-of-federal-criminal-defendants-go-to-trial-and-most-who-do-are-found-guilty/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/11/only-2-of-f...

The day hope for justice died. Yes I remember.

kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago

But there wasn't an actual verdict, or was there?

n8cpdx 5y ago
No, Aaron never gave the justice system a chance to work. In more serious cases involving crimes against the state, hopeful, merciful outcomes have been found, as in the Chelsea Manning case: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning I don’t think we should be glorifying a person who took his own life before facing justice.
- modo_mario 5y ago
  >No, Aaron never gave the justice system a chance to work. I'd say his case was proof that the system didn't work. JSTOR dropped charges and urged for others to do the same yet that didn't go anywhere. It involve a credible threat of potentially up to $1 million in fines, 35 years in prison and restitution. A threat that would push anyone to to take the plea deal in the process avoiding reaching for actual justice. (And even that plea deal was ridiculous) If that's how it's supposed to work then it's fucked. >as in the Chelsea Manning case Someone exposing crimes for moral reasons "only" sentenced to 35 years of maximum security. Was this attended as some misplaced sarcasm?
- bo1024 5y ago
  On the contrary, the justice system was working against him for the entire two years between his arrest and suicide. Additional indictments, plea deals, counter-offers, threats, etc. Two years of a person's life before they even get to trial! That's the American "justice" system. In fact, in the federal justice system, only 2% of defendants end up going to trial -- most end up accepting a plea deal (and we can guess how much bullying and threatening go into that). By analogy to your argument, 98% of defendants never "face justice". Or maybe better put, they never receive justice. A source: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/11/only-2-of-federal-criminal-defendants-go-to-trial-and-most-who-do-are-found-guilty/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/11/only-2-of-f...