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Israel surveillance of Palestinians with facial recognition program in West Bank

sschueller 5y ago
To me this is basically the modern day version of the Auschwitz tattoo just that the Palastinians aren't in a concentration cap. Is IBM tech being used? Sadly we don't seem to learn from the past and the oppressed become the oppressors of the future.
47nil 5y ago
And? So what? Everyone else does it. The US does surveillance. The UK does. Germany and France do it. The Saudis do it. The Jordanians do it. China and Japan do it. And many more... But when Jews do it... Well, that's a big problem. Jews can't do anything without the world crying "Evil!". yeah, it has been like this for millennia.
- danlugo92 5y ago
  Nobody should do it in my humble opinion.
  - 47nil 5y ago
    That's a different conversation. And yes, I agree with you.
    - drekk 5y ago
      Actually, the conversation was Israel's use of a facial recognition program against a captive population. You deflected it by saying "well all countries do that" and conflated criticism of Israel with criticism of all Jews. I'm Jewish. I'm not a Zionist. You don't speak for us and it's frankly embarrassing to see discussion of modern day apartheid state shut down because "teacher teacher we didn't start it!"
      - 47nil 5y ago
        Alright then. Let's create a Palestinean state, ask all the Palestinians inside of Israel to move there, to be governed by their own elected government, and stop attacking Israel. Oh, wait... Yeah, no. You do understand that the so called "Apartheid" doesn't exists, right? If you ask the Israeli Arabs if they would move to "Palestine", the majority would tell you no. The Arabs living inside of Israel, not Gaza, and not the west bank, have the same rights, votes, representation in the Knesset (congress), free education, free healthcare, and the same rights to work than jews, Druze, christians, and the Bahai. If you have 90% of the terrorism coming from a specific place, you will monitor that. It has nothing to do with apartheid. And you saying this, specially as a jew, shows a complete ignorance for the subject at hand. I lived in Israel for 20 years. I lived in South Africa during the apartheid, I saw what that is. I also lived in South America during the Juntas and military governments. Israel is neither. People don't spend the time in Israel understanding this, or at least reading about it. Sorry, but it doesn't matter how much you scream or how much you can call me anything, truth is truth. Have a good one.
        Grustaf 5y ago
        > ask all the Palestinians inside of Israel to move there Why should they agree to this?
        47nil 5y ago
        My point exactly.
        arctics 5y ago
        "Let's create a Palestinean state, ask all the Palestinians inside of Israel to move there" Aren't you guys building settlements there for the Jews only? I may be wrong but this is the last thing I remember about the West Bank, Palestinians are forced to leave.
      - joelbluminator 5y ago
        > I'm Jewish. I'm not a Zionist. It's way easier to be anti Zionist from the comfy U.S right? You get all the benefits of appearing super moral and progressive and none of the risks. What's it to you if Israelis are (again) thrown out to become refugees all over the place. You've got zero skin the game. For us Israeli Jews end of Zionism probably means being refugees somewhere (hopefully Europe will agree to take a big portion but who knows). Sure, some Israelis (not all, not even the majority) have European citizenships but we all see how lovely it is being Jewish in Europe. I mean, I'm all for the U.S to cease existing and become Indian - how does that sound? Give all the land back to the indigenous people and the underprivileged.
gentleman11 5y ago
They are building a China-style police state?

To me this is basically the modern day version of the Auschwitz tattoo just that the Palastinians aren't in a concentration cap. Is IBM tech being used? Sadly we don't seem to learn from the past and the oppressed become the oppressors of the future.

47nil 5y ago

And? So what? Everyone else does it. The US does surveillance. The UK does. Germany and France do it. The Saudis do it. The Jordanians do it. China and Japan do it. And many more... But when Jews do it... Well, that's a big problem. Jews can't do anything without the world crying "Evil!". yeah, it has been like this for millennia.

danlugo92 5y ago
Nobody should do it in my humble opinion.
- 47nil 5y ago
  That's a different conversation. And yes, I agree with you.
  - drekk 5y ago
    Actually, the conversation was Israel's use of a facial recognition program against a captive population. You deflected it by saying "well all countries do that" and conflated criticism of Israel with criticism of all Jews. I'm Jewish. I'm not a Zionist. You don't speak for us and it's frankly embarrassing to see discussion of modern day apartheid state shut down because "teacher teacher we didn't start it!"
    - 47nil 5y ago
      Alright then. Let's create a Palestinean state, ask all the Palestinians inside of Israel to move there, to be governed by their own elected government, and stop attacking Israel. Oh, wait... Yeah, no. You do understand that the so called "Apartheid" doesn't exists, right? If you ask the Israeli Arabs if they would move to "Palestine", the majority would tell you no. The Arabs living inside of Israel, not Gaza, and not the west bank, have the same rights, votes, representation in the Knesset (congress), free education, free healthcare, and the same rights to work than jews, Druze, christians, and the Bahai. If you have 90% of the terrorism coming from a specific place, you will monitor that. It has nothing to do with apartheid. And you saying this, specially as a jew, shows a complete ignorance for the subject at hand. I lived in Israel for 20 years. I lived in South Africa during the apartheid, I saw what that is. I also lived in South America during the Juntas and military governments. Israel is neither. People don't spend the time in Israel understanding this, or at least reading about it. Sorry, but it doesn't matter how much you scream or how much you can call me anything, truth is truth. Have a good one.
      - Grustaf 5y ago
        > ask all the Palestinians inside of Israel to move there Why should they agree to this?
        47nil 5y ago
        My point exactly.
      - arctics 5y ago
        "Let's create a Palestinean state, ask all the Palestinians inside of Israel to move there" Aren't you guys building settlements there for the Jews only? I may be wrong but this is the last thing I remember about the West Bank, Palestinians are forced to leave.
    - joelbluminator 5y ago
      > I'm Jewish. I'm not a Zionist. It's way easier to be anti Zionist from the comfy U.S right? You get all the benefits of appearing super moral and progressive and none of the risks. What's it to you if Israelis are (again) thrown out to become refugees all over the place. You've got zero skin the game. For us Israeli Jews end of Zionism probably means being refugees somewhere (hopefully Europe will agree to take a big portion but who knows). Sure, some Israelis (not all, not even the majority) have European citizenships but we all see how lovely it is being Jewish in Europe. I mean, I'm all for the U.S to cease existing and become Indian - how does that sound? Give all the land back to the indigenous people and the underprivileged.

gentleman11 5y ago

They are building a China-style police state?