5 ms·

Regular stalls, sure. But I'm not sure that stalls that go into a spin are part of it.

by dagurp 5y ago

FabHK 5y ago
When I learned in the US, stall and spin avoidance and recovery was taught, but only stalls were actually practiced (because apparently too many accidents happened practicing spins). Not sure how the situation is in South Africa. https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC_61-67C_Chg_2.pdf https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/...
- snovv_crash 5y ago
  My dad did his PPL in South Africa, and I know he practiced spins. Not sure if they were tested though.
speedbird 5y ago
Spinning into cloud in a twin - absolute nightmare.
rootsudo 5y ago
Spins are not required (USA, PPL), but you should find a CFI and a spin ready plane and have some fun. The older CFI's usually seem to be up for it. :D
hugh-avherald 5y ago
It's a mandatory training requirement before your first solo.
- speedbird 5y ago
  Spin avoidance, sure, but most places these days don't have actual spins on the syllabus as more were being lost in training practice than subsequent general flying. Perhaps because the training wasn't being well done. It's a pity, because to most pilots a spin will be very disorienting unless you are used to it.
deepsun 5y ago
Spins recover practice is required for CFI (certified flight instructor), but not for PPL (private pilot license). Many commercial pilots (like skydiving pilots) have CFI (because while training, you need to meet a certain number of flight hours, and you might as well spend them on CFI).
- goodcanadian 5y ago
  My information is very old, but my understanding is that in Canada, spin recovery is also required for private pilot's license. My father definitely had to put the plane into a spin and recover it in order to get his (now long expired) license.
  - deepsun 5y ago
    knowledge -- yes, practice -- no (for PPL).
mhandley 5y ago
When I learned to fly gliders we practised spins and spin recovery. First time I did it, I botched the recovery and was mildly terrified. Went up a week later with a extremely experienced instructor and spent a whole hour thermalling up to altitude, stalling, then using the rudder to kick it into a spin, cancel the rotation, kick it into an opposite spin and back, stalled the whole time. Lose 3000 feet, recover, thermal back up, do it all over again. Very interesting to feel the complete ineffectiveness of the ailerons vs very effective rudder. By the end of it, I was pretty confident I would recognize the symptoms early and had the muscle memory to react quickly and correctly if I ever needed to. Best flying lesson I ever had. Of course all that is with no engines. Assymetric thrust in a twin is more complicated, and I expect you've got less margin before you damage the airframe.
- wiz21c 5y ago
  That gives the goose bumps. That's something else than debugging that web app :-)
refurb 5y ago
I haven’t done the training but friends have. My understanding is spin recovery is pretty standard. You enter the spin by a pretty intentional stall procedure. From what I’ve heard it’s actually pretty frightening the first few times, but that’s the point - do it enough to recognize what’s happening and make the response automatic.
blunte 5y ago
When I had US training in the 90s, stall and spin recovery were taught, but only stall was supposed to be practiced. I was told that spin was not because it could damage some of the instruments which have gyros. We did it anyway (in a Cessna 152), and it only took about 1.5 turns to recover. Great fun. Easiest way to induce a spin was flaps down during stall.
theluketowers 5y ago
Might depend on where you get your training from but I know for my private pilot's license I was instructed and practiced how to purposely get into spins and recover from them. It's a requirement in Canada: https://tc.canada.ca/en/aviation/publications/stall-spin-awareness-guidance-notes-private-commercial-pilot-training-tp-13747/spin-training https://tc.canada.ca/en/aviation/publications/stall-spin-awa...

Regular stalls, sure. But I'm not sure that stalls that go into a spin are part of it.

by dagurp 5y ago

Regular stalls, sure. But I'm not sure that stalls that go into a spin are part of it.

When I learned in the US, stall and spin avoidance and recovery was taught, but only stalls were actually practiced (because apparently too many accidents happened practicing spins). Not sure how the situation is in South Africa. https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC_61-67C_Chg_2.pdf https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/...

snovv_crash 5y ago
My dad did his PPL in South Africa, and I know he practiced spins. Not sure if they were tested though.

speedbird 5y ago

Spinning into cloud in a twin - absolute nightmare.

rootsudo 5y ago

Spins are not required (USA, PPL), but you should find a CFI and a spin ready plane and have some fun. The older CFI's usually seem to be up for it. :D

hugh-avherald 5y ago

It's a mandatory training requirement before your first solo.

speedbird 5y ago
Spin avoidance, sure, but most places these days don't have actual spins on the syllabus as more were being lost in training practice than subsequent general flying. Perhaps because the training wasn't being well done. It's a pity, because to most pilots a spin will be very disorienting unless you are used to it.

deepsun 5y ago

Spins recover practice is required for CFI (certified flight instructor), but not for PPL (private pilot license). Many commercial pilots (like skydiving pilots) have CFI (because while training, you need to meet a certain number of flight hours, and you might as well spend them on CFI).

goodcanadian 5y ago
My information is very old, but my understanding is that in Canada, spin recovery is also required for private pilot's license. My father definitely had to put the plane into a spin and recover it in order to get his (now long expired) license.
- deepsun 5y ago
  knowledge -- yes, practice -- no (for PPL).

mhandley 5y ago

When I learned to fly gliders we practised spins and spin recovery. First time I did it, I botched the recovery and was mildly terrified. Went up a week later with a extremely experienced instructor and spent a whole hour thermalling up to altitude, stalling, then using the rudder to kick it into a spin, cancel the rotation, kick it into an opposite spin and back, stalled the whole time. Lose 3000 feet, recover, thermal back up, do it all over again. Very interesting to feel the complete ineffectiveness of the ailerons vs very effective rudder. By the end of it, I was pretty confident I would recognize the symptoms early and had the muscle memory to react quickly and correctly if I ever needed to. Best flying lesson I ever had. Of course all that is with no engines. Assymetric thrust in a twin is more complicated, and I expect you've got less margin before you damage the airframe.

wiz21c 5y ago
That gives the goose bumps. That's something else than debugging that web app :-)

refurb 5y ago

I haven’t done the training but friends have. My understanding is spin recovery is pretty standard. You enter the spin by a pretty intentional stall procedure. From what I’ve heard it’s actually pretty frightening the first few times, but that’s the point - do it enough to recognize what’s happening and make the response automatic.

blunte 5y ago

When I had US training in the 90s, stall and spin recovery were taught, but only stall was supposed to be practiced. I was told that spin was not because it could damage some of the instruments which have gyros. We did it anyway (in a Cessna 152), and it only took about 1.5 turns to recover. Great fun. Easiest way to induce a spin was flaps down during stall.

theluketowers 5y ago

Might depend on where you get your training from but I know for my private pilot's license I was instructed and practiced how to purposely get into spins and recover from them. It's a requirement in Canada: https://tc.canada.ca/en/aviation/publications/stall-spin-awareness-guidance-notes-private-commercial-pilot-training-tp-13747/spin-training https://tc.canada.ca/en/aviation/publications/stall-spin-awa...