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While this assessment focuses on the “personal risk” side of things (yes, we are all aware that most of us who have been vaccinated should expect nothing more t

While this assessment focuses on the “personal risk” side of things (yes, we are all aware that most of us who have been vaccinated should expect nothing more than a bad cold if we end up getting infected with covid), where your assessment falls apart is that it doesn’t take into account public health. COVID continues to overwhelm healthcare system ICU capacity. It continues to result in an unsustainable level of death and disability among the massive portion of the population that remains unvaccinated. Where I live, and in other jurisdictions, public health authorities are telling citizens, “Hey, try to avoid getting into a car accident or having a heart attack because our ICU capacity is extremely limited” So long as these systems are not operating normally, society cannot function as it usually would. And we certainly can’t pretend covid is over because we have lost patience and exacerbate those problems further. Lastly, your assertion that suicides have increased due to COVID is false. [0][1] Why are you telling people that? [0] https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n834 https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n834 [1] https://sunnybrook.ca/media/item.asp?c=1&i=2306&f=covid-19-suicide-study https://sunnybrook.ca/media/item.asp?c=1&i=2306&f=covid-19-s...

StanislavPetrov 5y ago
>Lastly, your assertion that suicides have increased due to COVID is false. [0][1] >Why are you telling people that? Take it up with the CDC. >In August, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released the results of a nationwide survey conducted during the last week in June: More than 40 percent of those who responded reported symptoms of anxiety or depression or increased substance use, in addition to other struggles. And more than 10 percent said that they had seriously considered suicide in the past 30 days, compared with just over 4 percent who said the same thing in 2018 — and who were referring to suicidal ideation over the previous 12 months. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/21/magazine/will-the-pandemic-result-in-more-suicides.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/21/magazine/will-the-pandemi...
- brandon272 5y ago
  That article says nothing about suicides increasing, which was your assertion. In fact, most data, including the data the CDC has available and the studies I referenced above, shows suicides are down, in some cases sharply. This willingness to spread falsehoods in order to bolster a political view really needs to end. Nevermind the irony of claiming that it's essential that everyone must stop "living in fear" immediately... which is then substantiated using inaccurate, fear-mongering claims of increased suicides and children experiencing learning and social development delays due to masks.
- DanBC 5y ago
  Your argument would be stronger if you had made an honest claim, and if you had linked to the CDC rather than a newspaper article. The fact you didn't link to the CDC data tells me that you lack familiarity with the way the CDC works, and that's important because suicide data is complicated. The data we have so far doesn't support the points you've made.

StanislavPetrov 5y ago

>Lastly, your assertion that suicides have increased due to COVID is false. [0][1] >Why are you telling people that? Take it up with the CDC. >In August, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released the results of a nationwide survey conducted during the last week in June: More than 40 percent of those who responded reported symptoms of anxiety or depression or increased substance use, in addition to other struggles. And more than 10 percent said that they had seriously considered suicide in the past 30 days, compared with just over 4 percent who said the same thing in 2018 — and who were referring to suicidal ideation over the previous 12 months. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/21/magazine/will-the-pandemic-result-in-more-suicides.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/21/magazine/will-the-pandemi...

brandon272 5y ago
That article says nothing about suicides increasing, which was your assertion. In fact, most data, including the data the CDC has available and the studies I referenced above, shows suicides are down, in some cases sharply. This willingness to spread falsehoods in order to bolster a political view really needs to end. Nevermind the irony of claiming that it's essential that everyone must stop "living in fear" immediately... which is then substantiated using inaccurate, fear-mongering claims of increased suicides and children experiencing learning and social development delays due to masks.
DanBC 5y ago
Your argument would be stronger if you had made an honest claim, and if you had linked to the CDC rather than a newspaper article. The fact you didn't link to the CDC data tells me that you lack familiarity with the way the CDC works, and that's important because suicide data is complicated. The data we have so far doesn't support the points you've made.