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I haven't gotten around to looking into Oil Shell. Is it actually drawing any inspiration from Tcl? The "A Tour of the Oil Language" page[1] references Ruby and

I haven't gotten around to looking into Oil Shell. Is it actually drawing any inspiration from Tcl? The "A Tour of the Oil Language" page[1] references Ruby and Python but not Tcl. [1] http://www.oilshell.org/release/latest/doc/oil-language-tour.html http://www.oilshell.org/release/latest/doc/oil-language-tour...

teleforce 5y ago
Not yet but I've mentioned to Andy (Oil Shell author) regarding the importance of adding command features into Oil Shell and he is actually looking into it [1]. Hopefully he will draw some inspirations from Tcl. Imagine a Cisco like networking command wrapper on top of Linux OS with eBPF backend. It will turn Linux into a ready-made formiddable open source networking OS without the need for NX-OS [2]. If you are looking into a modern version of Tcl, there is TIL [3]. It's a Tcl inspired new scripting language on top of D language. By having D language as the foundation it can perform all the features that you've requested including lambdas, async and then some more [4]. [1]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28552998 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28552998 [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco_NX-OS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco_NX-OS [3]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27167762 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27167762 [4]https://dlang.org/spec/expression.html https://dlang.org/spec/expression.html
- lilyball 5y ago
  TIL looks interesting, but also both too simple and too complicated. What's the difference between a SubList and a SimpleList? Why does it require SimpleLists instead of using variadic arguments (e.g. why [math ($a + $b)] instead of [math $a + $b])? And why does the author explicitly disallow multiple spaces in a row outside of indentation when this is a purely artificial limitation and does not simplify anything?[1] But also, why can't I write modules in TIL? It's based on D, sure, but I shouldn't need to write and compile something in D just to be able to have some means of namespacing things. This very much feels like "I want to write most of my stuff in D but I just want to be able to whip up short scripts that for whatever reason I don't want to write in D". And of course it seems to be ditching the pure simplicity of Tcl. It's like Tcl in that it's a command language and borrows syntax from Tcl, but it seems to be missing the fundamental concepts of Tcl. [1] The author seems to hate the idea of people lining up equals signs in code or things like that. Ok sure, you can have a style preference. But that's what a code formatter is for, not an artificial and unprecedented level of whitespace significance.

teleforce 5y ago

Not yet but I've mentioned to Andy (Oil Shell author) regarding the importance of adding command features into Oil Shell and he is actually looking into it [1]. Hopefully he will draw some inspirations from Tcl. Imagine a Cisco like networking command wrapper on top of Linux OS with eBPF backend. It will turn Linux into a ready-made formiddable open source networking OS without the need for NX-OS [2]. If you are looking into a modern version of Tcl, there is TIL [3]. It's a Tcl inspired new scripting language on top of D language. By having D language as the foundation it can perform all the features that you've requested including lambdas, async and then some more [4]. [1]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28552998 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28552998 [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco_NX-OS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco_NX-OS [3]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27167762 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27167762 [4]https://dlang.org/spec/expression.html https://dlang.org/spec/expression.html

lilyball 5y ago
TIL looks interesting, but also both too simple and too complicated. What's the difference between a SubList and a SimpleList? Why does it require SimpleLists instead of using variadic arguments (e.g. why [math ($a + $b)] instead of [math $a + $b])? And why does the author explicitly disallow multiple spaces in a row outside of indentation when this is a purely artificial limitation and does not simplify anything?[1] But also, why can't I write modules in TIL? It's based on D, sure, but I shouldn't need to write and compile something in D just to be able to have some means of namespacing things. This very much feels like "I want to write most of my stuff in D but I just want to be able to whip up short scripts that for whatever reason I don't want to write in D". And of course it seems to be ditching the pure simplicity of Tcl. It's like Tcl in that it's a command language and borrows syntax from Tcl, but it seems to be missing the fundamental concepts of Tcl. [1] The author seems to hate the idea of people lining up equals signs in code or things like that. Ok sure, you can have a style preference. But that's what a code formatter is for, not an artificial and unprecedented level of whitespace significance.