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Indeed, China is unified ethnically -- basically 91% Han and extremely nationalistic. India is divided into a patchwork. Modi has been attempting to harness Hin

by rsj_hn 5y ago

Indeed, China is unified ethnically -- basically 91% Han and extremely nationalistic. India is divided into a patchwork. Modi has been attempting to harness Hindu nationalism, but only recently and not nearly as effectively as China, which was strongly nationalistic from Mao. It was always a proud ethno-state fighting to develop to overcome the century of national humiliation. In terms of comparing developing and developed, a CAGR of 0.8% is anemic by any standard, particularly when you have the world's premier R&D centers, rule of law, etc. It is just not the case that poorer nations grow faster than richer nations -- most poor nations do not experience catch up growth at all. That the East Asian nations managed to do it really is a miracle, and they did it on the back of nationalism. It's not to be expected, and it's not the typical experience of low and middle income nations: https://www.stlouisfed.org/publications/regional-economist/october-2015/trapped-few-developing-countries-can-climb-the-economic-ladder-or-stay-there https://www.stlouisfed.org/publications/regional-economist/o...

worrycue 5y ago
> That the East Asian nations managed to do it really is a miracle, and they did it on the back of nationalism. It's worth noting that East Asian nations are not clones of each other. In the one I grew up in, I don't think nationalism played much of a role. The government actively tries to foster a national identity but I don't think all that many people are buying into it - party due to the modus op of the government in my opinion; being a small nation the government has opted "being a leaf on the wind" pragmatism as its guiding principle and I believe it has rubbed off on (a significant percentage of) the people. Raw pragmatism that involves toss aside anything that "doesn't work" isn't particularly compatible with dogmatic ideals of nationalism - i.e. people noticed the government isn't practicing what they preach.
wolverine876 5y ago
> China is unified ethnically -- basically 91% Han and extremely nationalistic. The Chinese people who have the freedom to express their views, in Taiwan and formerly in Hong Kong, weren't so nationalistic. Can you back up your assertion about the rest? Also, nationalism is global trend; there is no correlation with whatever China does. > It is just not the case that poorer nations grow faster than richer nations I think you know that's not what anyone was saying.

by rsj_hn 5y ago

worrycue 5y ago

> That the East Asian nations managed to do it really is a miracle, and they did it on the back of nationalism. It's worth noting that East Asian nations are not clones of each other. In the one I grew up in, I don't think nationalism played much of a role. The government actively tries to foster a national identity but I don't think all that many people are buying into it - party due to the modus op of the government in my opinion; being a small nation the government has opted "being a leaf on the wind" pragmatism as its guiding principle and I believe it has rubbed off on (a significant percentage of) the people. Raw pragmatism that involves toss aside anything that "doesn't work" isn't particularly compatible with dogmatic ideals of nationalism - i.e. people noticed the government isn't practicing what they preach.

wolverine876 5y ago

> China is unified ethnically -- basically 91% Han and extremely nationalistic. The Chinese people who have the freedom to express their views, in Taiwan and formerly in Hong Kong, weren't so nationalistic. Can you back up your assertion about the rest? Also, nationalism is global trend; there is no correlation with whatever China does. > It is just not the case that poorer nations grow faster than richer nations I think you know that's not what anyone was saying.