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That doesn't mean linux is any better. I built a brand new ryzen x5800 machine late last year, running linux mint. When I first built it, the computer has had d
by josephg 5y ago
That doesn't mean linux is any better. I built a brand new ryzen x5800 machine late last year, running linux mint. When I first built it, the computer has had duplicate unremovable mouse cursors appearing on the screen. And my trackpad sometimes randomly became unresponsive (or one time, the up and down directions flipped!). And neither suspending nor hybernating worked - the machine wouldn't come back up.
All these problems have since gone away thanks to software updates and (importantly) a BIOS update. It turned out my USB controller wasn't being configured correctly by the motherboard. If I didn't happen to check for BIOS updates, I'd still have lots of problems.
And that was still a better experience than the HP laptop I bought a couple of years ago. That laptop had so much HP crap preinstalled that it sat on 30% CPU usage at all times out of the box. The biggest offender was some HP process doing microphone noise reduction. It ran all the time regardless of whether or not the microphone was being used - and utterly demolished the machine's battery life.
Apple is far from perfect, but they have a better reputation than most vendors for a reason. And their technical support is are excellent. I've had thousands of dollars of free hardware repairs & replacements over the years when things have broken in my apple machines. I wish they didn't break so much; and I wish they prioritised fixing software bugs over adding features internally. (APFS aside, I would trade the last 5 years of macOS features for better stability and performance in a heartbeat.) But there's a reason they're so well liked on HN. They're still pretty excellent in comparison to the competition.
- leephillips 5y agoHow well does macOS run on your home-built Ryzen machine?
- josephg 5y agoHuh? What point are you trying to make? I don't care how well macOS runs on my machine. I care how well any given computer gets out of the way and lets me get my work done. Today that means intellij, the rust compiler, firefox and nodejs. I want to spend my day working. Not futzing around with HP bloatware. Not rebooting due to apple memory leaks. And not guessing why my keyboard needs to be reconnected.
- leephillips 5y agoIn your story, you built a machine, and Linux didn’t work well on it at first. Later, it worked fine. Meanwhile, macOS never did and probably never will run on it. And you introduce this story as an illustration of how “Linux isn’t any better.” So, to borrow your words: Huh? What point are you trying to make?
- josephg 5y agoIn my story linux didn't work well at first. Then with some time and work, it worked fine. An HP windows laptop didn't work well at first - but after I spent some time removing the HP bloatware, it worked "fine". This article says that mac laptops aren't working well because of memory leaks. But in a few months Apple will probably fix their software bugs and they'll work fine too. You said: > The [mac users] that don’t complain have low standards I agree with you. I'd go even further and say most users have low standards, because the out-of-the-box experience with most modern computers is pretty bad. Apple users should absolutely complain more when the out-of-the-box experience with their computer isn't perfect. We all should. Apple customers keep buying apple computers despite their issues not because we have low standards. We do it because the alternatives are even worse.
- leephillips 5y ago“most users have low standards” I think you’re probably right about this. It’s like we’ve been trained to have low expectations.
- deltaonefour 5y agoAs an avid linux user I can tell you. Linux users aren't "trained" to have low expectations. They are trained to be masochists that enjoy pain. The raw amount of configuration, fixes and setup work that has to go into making some linux distros work is astronomical. If nonlinux users are trained to have low expectations, Linux users are trained to rape themselves constantly.
- deltaonefour 5y agoLinux can't even run on the M1. He's obviously comparing a linux PC experience with an apple OSX experience. It's a completely valid comparison but you're just being mean an inappropriate.
- saagarjha 5y agoLinux does run on the M1. Not great, yet, but it's getting there.
- deltaonefour 5y agoMy bad. You're right. So let's compare Linux on the M1 with OSX on the M1. Which one has the better user experience?
- FDSGSG 5y agoApparently it runs just fine a little fiddling. https://github.com/mikigal/ryzen-hackintosh https://github.com/mikigal/ryzen-hackintosh
- ricardobayes 5y agoTell that to my tech lead who spent more than 8k buying and repairing his macbook due to constant motherboard issues. I love macs but don't dare to try them due to soooo many people in my circles seem to have very frequent HW issues with them. It seems to be either in the shop being repaired or having issues with connecting bluetooth stuff. I'm used to Thinkpad reliability so not looking forward to trade that up for some pretty pixels. My lenovo laptops had 0 issues in the past ten years. Zero. But now I'm web development and I need a mac for Safari to test locally.
- ehutch79 5y agoI manage a fleet of macs. I have not seen any issues like that. I'd ask what your friends are doing to their computers to be seeing such a disproportionate amount of hardware issues.