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What other machine can you buy to run Xcode on? Also, I get along just fine with the last few Macs I have had...

by wffurr 5y ago

papito 5y ago
How about the Mac Mini?
- Fnoord 5y ago
  Or Hackintosh. Hey, GP asked 'what machine'. Didn't require it to be an Apple.
  - jiux 5y ago
    I’ve given this thought for an older MBP of mine that can’t upgrade to latest OS so that it can be used as a CI. My issue with that is 1. Can I trust the hackintosh to not be compromised and 2. Uploading an IPA via hackintosh feels like bananas.
    - Fnoord 5y ago
      If you use say Proxmox and create your own macOS image and compile your own Opencore then you should be OK. You can do same on VirtualBox. (On a PC, cause I doubt older MBPs have the necessary stuff like VT-d.) Of course, once Apple kills off x86-64 macOS it is going to become more complicated.
  - rdsnsca 5y ago
    Hackintosh's are dead as soon as Apple stops supporting Intel chips.
    - wffurr 5y ago
      That won't be for a very long time. There's a lot of Mac Pros out there. They're still supporting the 8-year old 2013 Mac Pro, the trashcan one. They sold a lot of the revised Mac Pro to animation studios and such. I wouldn't count on support for those being dropped for at least ten years.
- randomluck040 5y ago
  That would be the same for OPs use case. He’s using a M1 MacBook Pro so nothing would change. The M1 devices don’t support more than 16 GB RAM, too.
  - zwily 5y ago
    The recently released M1 MacBook pros go up to 64GB.
dmz73 5y ago
That seems like another symptom of the same problem. Apple locked me into their ecosystem...but that is their right, after all it is their platform. Apple sold me faulty hardware/software but I have to buy more Apple products (new hardware, support) since I am locked in and cannot do my work on non-Apple hardware. Their behavior may not be illegal (IANAL) but I find it quite user hostile. The main problem I see with all this is that since Apple is getting away with it, more and more companies are trying the same tactics and normalizing user lock-in and charging extra to fix faulty hardware and software.
- csdreamer7 5y ago
  As someone who hasn't been in the Mac ecosystem since his and his mom's iMac both broke in the same way in high school, how does the Mac ecosystem lock you in?
  - perryizgr8 5y ago
    Comment just above mentions the need to use macs because of xcode.
    - jolux 5y ago
      As far as I know you need to use Xcode to distribute the software, or to write macOS-native software. I have written plenty of Java Swing apps without touching Xcode at all.
- wffurr 5y ago
  To be fair to the OP, the "more expensive" machine is also probably the fastest laptop on the planet at compiling code, so there's also that.
xvilka 5y ago
You can use alternative toolchains like like cctools-port[1] and xcbuild[2]. See, for example, this article [3] on how to build Swift UI apps for iOS using Linux. [1] https://github.com/tpoechtrager/cctools-port https://github.com/tpoechtrager/cctools-port [2] https://github.com/apple-cross-toolchain/xcbuild https://github.com/apple-cross-toolchain/xcbuild [3] https://thi.im/posts/cross-compiling-for-ios-part-1-build-swiftui-apps-from-linux/ https://thi.im/posts/cross-compiling-for-ios-part-1-build-sw...
- smoldesu 5y ago
  Wow, they make it so easy!/s

What other machine can you buy to run Xcode on? Also, I get along just fine with the last few Macs I have had...

by wffurr 5y ago

What other machine can you buy to run Xcode on? Also, I get along just fine with the last few Macs I have had...

papito 5y ago

How about the Mac Mini?

Fnoord 5y ago
Or Hackintosh. Hey, GP asked 'what machine'. Didn't require it to be an Apple.
- jiux 5y ago
  I’ve given this thought for an older MBP of mine that can’t upgrade to latest OS so that it can be used as a CI. My issue with that is 1. Can I trust the hackintosh to not be compromised and 2. Uploading an IPA via hackintosh feels like bananas.
  - Fnoord 5y ago
    If you use say Proxmox and create your own macOS image and compile your own Opencore then you should be OK. You can do same on VirtualBox. (On a PC, cause I doubt older MBPs have the necessary stuff like VT-d.) Of course, once Apple kills off x86-64 macOS it is going to become more complicated.
- rdsnsca 5y ago
  Hackintosh's are dead as soon as Apple stops supporting Intel chips.
  - wffurr 5y ago
    That won't be for a very long time. There's a lot of Mac Pros out there. They're still supporting the 8-year old 2013 Mac Pro, the trashcan one. They sold a lot of the revised Mac Pro to animation studios and such. I wouldn't count on support for those being dropped for at least ten years.
randomluck040 5y ago
That would be the same for OPs use case. He’s using a M1 MacBook Pro so nothing would change. The M1 devices don’t support more than 16 GB RAM, too.
- zwily 5y ago
  The recently released M1 MacBook pros go up to 64GB.

dmz73 5y ago

That seems like another symptom of the same problem. Apple locked me into their ecosystem...but that is their right, after all it is their platform. Apple sold me faulty hardware/software but I have to buy more Apple products (new hardware, support) since I am locked in and cannot do my work on non-Apple hardware. Their behavior may not be illegal (IANAL) but I find it quite user hostile. The main problem I see with all this is that since Apple is getting away with it, more and more companies are trying the same tactics and normalizing user lock-in and charging extra to fix faulty hardware and software.

csdreamer7 5y ago
As someone who hasn't been in the Mac ecosystem since his and his mom's iMac both broke in the same way in high school, how does the Mac ecosystem lock you in?
- perryizgr8 5y ago
  Comment just above mentions the need to use macs because of xcode.
  - jolux 5y ago
    As far as I know you need to use Xcode to distribute the software, or to write macOS-native software. I have written plenty of Java Swing apps without touching Xcode at all.
wffurr 5y ago
To be fair to the OP, the "more expensive" machine is also probably the fastest laptop on the planet at compiling code, so there's also that.

xvilka 5y ago

You can use alternative toolchains like like cctools-port[1] and xcbuild[2]. See, for example, this article [3] on how to build Swift UI apps for iOS using Linux. [1] https://github.com/tpoechtrager/cctools-port https://github.com/tpoechtrager/cctools-port [2] https://github.com/apple-cross-toolchain/xcbuild https://github.com/apple-cross-toolchain/xcbuild [3] https://thi.im/posts/cross-compiling-for-ios-part-1-build-swiftui-apps-from-linux/ https://thi.im/posts/cross-compiling-for-ios-part-1-build-sw...

smoldesu 5y ago
Wow, they make it so easy!/s