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> I'm not convinced that the rise of China will be so bad. Boomers and neocons want us to think so You're not convinced that going from "living in the most eco

> I'm not convinced that the rise of China will be so bad. Boomers and neocons want us to think so You're not convinced that going from "living in the most economically dominant and militarily powerful country in the world" to "not" is going to somehow not be a painful experience? You can use the "I am not convinced" line for anything. "I am not convinced that being homeless is worse than living in a nice house" but... ok, what would convince you?

civilized 5y ago
What's the big deal whose GDP is bigger? You think China's going to invade us? Maybe it's good that other groups of people besides Americans and Europeans can make leading contributions to economic growth, science and technology. Maybe America's dominance is mainly good for the rich and those who like to invade countries on a whim. I don't care about either of those groups.
- rayiner 5y ago
  A lot of our ability to simply ignore reality—e.g. budget deficits, or comically high infrastructure costs—comes from having the biggest economy and being the most attractive target of investment.
kcb 5y ago
Aren't you implying that every country besides the US is currently having a painful experience?
- throw6746 5y ago
  Not the OP but these countries do have to put up with America's influence.
- ClumsyPilot 5y ago
  Absolutely! When UK Parliament wanted Zuk to answer some tough question about his company facilitating electoral fraud, he simply refused to show up. Even first world nations struggle in dealing with American corporation, which often act as if they are above the law. God forbid you are a developing nation. British American Tabacco has taken poor developing nations to court for trying to ban children from smoking (!!) and got compenation and the law repealed https://youtu.be/6UsHHOCH4q8 https://youtu.be/6UsHHOCH4q8 I am not even mentioning illegal stuff: bribes, threats, drone strikes, strong-arming, etc. Even the EU was strong armed when it comes to GPS: https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2003/dec/08/world.internationaleducationnews https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2003/dec/08/world.internation... Those that think that American economic advantage was won in a 'fair game' are super naive
  - kcb 5y ago
    And yet the US is not #1 in pretty much any quality of life metric. The point is there are plenty of nations with varying degrees of US influence that are far from miserable or painful places to live.
    - Jensson 5y ago
      Living in USA will be more painful than it is now when USA no longer gets to import a lot of goods giving nothing in return. USA hasn't had a positive trade balance in half a century, people will want back their stuff at some point and that point wont be fun for the Americans.
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- rayiner 5y ago
  It’s going to be painful for Americans to adjust to being an only-ran. Consider how much of democratic politics right now is driven by the ability to run insane deficits to avoid taxing the upper middle class professional base. (Taxes on people making under $500k are still at Reagan levels and Biden promised not to raise them.) EU countries have to tax the middle class to balance their budgets, like proles.

civilized 5y ago

What's the big deal whose GDP is bigger? You think China's going to invade us? Maybe it's good that other groups of people besides Americans and Europeans can make leading contributions to economic growth, science and technology. Maybe America's dominance is mainly good for the rich and those who like to invade countries on a whim. I don't care about either of those groups.

rayiner 5y ago
A lot of our ability to simply ignore reality—e.g. budget deficits, or comically high infrastructure costs—comes from having the biggest economy and being the most attractive target of investment.

kcb 5y ago

Aren't you implying that every country besides the US is currently having a painful experience?

throw6746 5y ago
Not the OP but these countries do have to put up with America's influence.
ClumsyPilot 5y ago
Absolutely! When UK Parliament wanted Zuk to answer some tough question about his company facilitating electoral fraud, he simply refused to show up. Even first world nations struggle in dealing with American corporation, which often act as if they are above the law. God forbid you are a developing nation. British American Tabacco has taken poor developing nations to court for trying to ban children from smoking (!!) and got compenation and the law repealed https://youtu.be/6UsHHOCH4q8 https://youtu.be/6UsHHOCH4q8 I am not even mentioning illegal stuff: bribes, threats, drone strikes, strong-arming, etc. Even the EU was strong armed when it comes to GPS: https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2003/dec/08/world.internationaleducationnews https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2003/dec/08/world.internation... Those that think that American economic advantage was won in a 'fair game' are super naive
- kcb 5y ago
  And yet the US is not #1 in pretty much any quality of life metric. The point is there are plenty of nations with varying degrees of US influence that are far from miserable or painful places to live.
  - Jensson 5y ago
    Living in USA will be more painful than it is now when USA no longer gets to import a lot of goods giving nothing in return. USA hasn't had a positive trade balance in half a century, people will want back their stuff at some point and that point wont be fun for the Americans.
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rayiner 5y ago
It’s going to be painful for Americans to adjust to being an only-ran. Consider how much of democratic politics right now is driven by the ability to run insane deficits to avoid taxing the upper middle class professional base. (Taxes on people making under $500k are still at Reagan levels and Biden promised not to raise them.) EU countries have to tax the middle class to balance their budgets, like proles.