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> Also in Germany for example 90% of the covid people in hospitals are fully unvaccinated people. You'd do well providing some data for this quip. I've spent 1

by m0zg 5y ago

> Also in Germany for example 90% of the covid people in hospitals are fully unvaccinated people. You'd do well providing some data for this quip. I've spent 10 minutes searching and could not find a confirmation. It's just the generic "hospitals are overwhelmed" BS. At least it's BS in the United States (which has a much higher case load), where you can see whether hospitals are overwhelmed or not (and yes, they are not), right on HHSs own website: https://protect-public.hhs.gov/pages/hospital-utilization https://protect-public.hhs.gov/pages/hospital-utilization

pgeorgi 5y ago
Couldn't find national numbers, just lots of regional queries with hospitals: https://www.mdr.de/nachrichten/deutschland/panorama/corona-krankenhaus-vollstaendig-geimpft-anteil-100.html https://www.mdr.de/nachrichten/deutschland/panorama/corona-k... (2011-11-05) covers Eastern Germany: 2/3 of covid19 patients not vaccinated at all, 3/4 not fully vaccinated (== 2 shots, or 1 shot in case of J&J) https://www.hamburg.de/nachrichten-hamburg/15579956/corona-patienten-ueberwiegend-ungeimpft-personalmangel/ https://www.hamburg.de/nachrichten-hamburg/15579956/corona-p... (2021-11-06) Hamburg: 205 of 240 (== 85.4%) ICU covid19 patients unvaccinated, 5% not fully vaccinated, 9.6% fully vaccinated https://klinikum-darmstadt.de/aktuelles-news/ungeimpfte-corona-patientinnen-auf-der-intensivstation https://klinikum-darmstadt.de/aktuelles-news/ungeimpfte-coro... Darmstadt (2021-09-21): "nearly exclusively unvaccinated" ICU covid19 patients. 50% of ICU capacity is filled with covid19 patients. https://www.br.de/nachrichten/bayern/corona-fast-nur-ungeimpfte-auf-intensivstationen-in-muenchen,SkJCX9p https://www.br.de/nachrichten/bayern/corona-fast-nur-ungeimp... Munich (2021-10-02): One hospital was at 100% unvaccinated covid19 patients (that's the twitter screenshot from 2021-09-28). They asked the other hospitals: 5 + 1 and 10 + 2 of unvaccinated + "vaccinated but couldn't build resistance for some reason". Further away in the region 100% unvaccinated (ICU and "regular" covid19 treatment) So I haven't found national numbers but lots of regional ones, and while there are a few counts lower (at 2/3 and 85%), there were also hospitals with entirely unvaccinated covid19 populations, both on ICU and in regular care. [edit to add:] Found an article about nation wide numbers and it covers the 90%: https://www.rnd.de/gesundheit/corona-intensivpatienten-rund-90-prozent-ungeimpft-3WL7AHCBWJ3BK6UY4PGFR5T45I.html https://www.rnd.de/gesundheit/corona-intensivpatienten-rund-... Title: About 90% of covid19 ICU patients not vaccinated. The bullet points state: In August and September, about 1/10 of covid19 ICU patients were fully vaccinated. Those were often people with an impaired immune system, e.g. due to chemotherapy. The numbers were (assembled and) released by the federal health office on request of a member of Parliament.
- m0zg 5y ago
  So 90% number is not supported. If primary occupants of the ICU are immunocompromised people, why the fuck are governments not prioritizing _them_ and instead wasting vaccine doses on young people and children who, if healthy, are not at risk at all? Even though Germany has done relatively well compared to other countries, the response still seems to make zero sense there. Blanket mandate is not needed. Raw vaccination rates are utterly meaningless without seeing details wrt age and comorbidities, or figuing out who ends up in the ICU, and targeting those kinds of people for vaccination. Why, 2 years in, such obvious things are so hard for the governments to figure out? Is it because most people in the government are lawyers and not engineers?
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pgeorgi 5y ago

Couldn't find national numbers, just lots of regional queries with hospitals: https://www.mdr.de/nachrichten/deutschland/panorama/corona-krankenhaus-vollstaendig-geimpft-anteil-100.html https://www.mdr.de/nachrichten/deutschland/panorama/corona-k... (2011-11-05) covers Eastern Germany: 2/3 of covid19 patients not vaccinated at all, 3/4 not fully vaccinated (== 2 shots, or 1 shot in case of J&J) https://www.hamburg.de/nachrichten-hamburg/15579956/corona-patienten-ueberwiegend-ungeimpft-personalmangel/ https://www.hamburg.de/nachrichten-hamburg/15579956/corona-p... (2021-11-06) Hamburg: 205 of 240 (== 85.4%) ICU covid19 patients unvaccinated, 5% not fully vaccinated, 9.6% fully vaccinated https://klinikum-darmstadt.de/aktuelles-news/ungeimpfte-corona-patientinnen-auf-der-intensivstation https://klinikum-darmstadt.de/aktuelles-news/ungeimpfte-coro... Darmstadt (2021-09-21): "nearly exclusively unvaccinated" ICU covid19 patients. 50% of ICU capacity is filled with covid19 patients. https://www.br.de/nachrichten/bayern/corona-fast-nur-ungeimpfte-auf-intensivstationen-in-muenchen,SkJCX9p https://www.br.de/nachrichten/bayern/corona-fast-nur-ungeimp... Munich (2021-10-02): One hospital was at 100% unvaccinated covid19 patients (that's the twitter screenshot from 2021-09-28). They asked the other hospitals: 5 + 1 and 10 + 2 of unvaccinated + "vaccinated but couldn't build resistance for some reason". Further away in the region 100% unvaccinated (ICU and "regular" covid19 treatment) So I haven't found national numbers but lots of regional ones, and while there are a few counts lower (at 2/3 and 85%), there were also hospitals with entirely unvaccinated covid19 populations, both on ICU and in regular care. [edit to add:] Found an article about nation wide numbers and it covers the 90%: https://www.rnd.de/gesundheit/corona-intensivpatienten-rund-90-prozent-ungeimpft-3WL7AHCBWJ3BK6UY4PGFR5T45I.html https://www.rnd.de/gesundheit/corona-intensivpatienten-rund-... Title: About 90% of covid19 ICU patients not vaccinated. The bullet points state: In August and September, about 1/10 of covid19 ICU patients were fully vaccinated. Those were often people with an impaired immune system, e.g. due to chemotherapy. The numbers were (assembled and) released by the federal health office on request of a member of Parliament.

m0zg 5y ago
So 90% number is not supported. If primary occupants of the ICU are immunocompromised people, why the fuck are governments not prioritizing _them_ and instead wasting vaccine doses on young people and children who, if healthy, are not at risk at all? Even though Germany has done relatively well compared to other countries, the response still seems to make zero sense there. Blanket mandate is not needed. Raw vaccination rates are utterly meaningless without seeing details wrt age and comorbidities, or figuing out who ends up in the ICU, and targeting those kinds of people for vaccination. Why, 2 years in, such obvious things are so hard for the governments to figure out? Is it because most people in the government are lawyers and not engineers?
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