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For the author: The solution is to ask for their sources - not to speculate that it’s all a sham (while conveniently also not providing any data to back up such

by quitit 5y ago

For the author: The solution is to ask for their sources - not to speculate that it’s all a sham (while conveniently also not providing any data to back up such a claim.) Meanwhile a single search pulls a possible source for the 80% figure: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-br... But talking about that source is inconvenient to the author because it provides ample support over a range of real world and laboratory studies (with both types demonstrating the 80% figure) But even without looking deeply into this - what motive would the CDC have for making everyone run around in little fabric masks versus the very well known disinformation efforts. At this stage of the pandemic: the science is abundantly clear - masks work.

xkbarkar 5y ago
Right. Did you even read the “source” you provided? Anyone who uses the 2 infected hairdressers as proof masks work has lost all credibility. Its the kind of scientism that thrives on social media. You do realize that half of the supposedly covid free clientel declined a pcr test? They just said they felt fine. I would not have gotten a passing grade in high scool if I had turned that paper in as proof of masking. Since 2020 any crap, no matter how idiotic, as long as it supports masking, is passed off as science. Some days reddit clearly leaks into HN.
- atoav 5y ago
  Sorry but masks are not a very disputes issue anymore. I mean it is a airborne virus, how other than filtering air you breath in and out would you practically target it? Weirdly enough nobody seems to doubt HEPA filters work. Maybe because they are more convenient and don't demand that you wear a piece of cloth in your face?
  - tinus_hn 5y ago
    Gee, why would a filter designed and proven to filter certain particles work, and a piece of cloth designed to be clothing not work? It must be an anti mask conspiracy!
- quitit 5y ago
  Yeah i did, it’s clear you didn’t.
throwntoday 5y ago
It doesn't matter what the truth is at this point because the majority of scientist have demonstrated they are massive cowards and won't speak out against patently false information in the mainstream for fear of becoming pariahs.
- atoav 5y ago
  I have experienced the polar opposite (non US citizen)
- nuerow 5y ago
  > It doesn't matter what the truth is at this point because the majority of scientist have demonstrated they are massive cowards (...) Before you go on attacking others for being cowards, what would you do if you started receiving death threats because you chose to speak publiy about an issue which an extremist political movement frowns upon? https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02757-3 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02757-3
  - jjeaff 5y ago
    And what about if people were calling your spouse and kids with death threats? Which is also something that is happening.
    - throwntoday 5y ago
      If you don't possess some means of defending your family from real threats, you've already failed at your job. I understand HN leans left, but buy guns and learn to use them. The police will not be there to help you when you need it.
      - jjeaff 5y ago
        That's ridiculous. Like saying, hey poking that bear is no big deal because I have a gun. Threats alone are enough to make life miserable. Having an arsenal of guns will be of little comfort to your family.
pangolinplayer 5y ago
It's a sham
stefantalpalaru 5y ago
> (while conveniently also not providing any data to back up such a claim.) "The intervention increased proper mask-wearing from 13.3% in control villages (N=806,547 observations) to 42.3% in treatment villages (N=797,715 observations) (adjusted percentage point difference = 0.29 \[0.27, 0.31\]). This tripling of mask usage was sustained during the intervention period and two weeks after. \[...\] The proportion of individuals with COVID-like symptoms was __7.62%__ (N=13,273) in the intervention arm and __8.62%__ (N=13,893) in the control arm." - ["The Impact of Community Masking on COVID-19: A Cluster-Randomized Trial in Bangladesh" (2021)](https://www.poverty-action.org/sites/default/files/publications/Mask_RCT____Symptomatic_Seropositivity_083121.pdf https://www.poverty-action.org/sites/default/files/publicati...) "SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected, when the first event (infection or vaccination) occurred during January and February of 2021." - ["Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections" (2021)](https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v...)
d1a2n 5y ago
Uhhhmmm... Excuse me sweaty, but you're arguing with a professor of epidemiology based on your Google "research", so uhh, how about you leave the science to the experts and sit this one out.
mousepilot 5y ago
Unfortunately at this stage of the pandemic, most peoples minds are made up about everything. There's enough refusenics that the virus will find a reservoir to do its mutating thing, so I think no matter what sensible people say its just a moot point.

by quitit 5y ago

xkbarkar 5y ago

Right. Did you even read the “source” you provided? Anyone who uses the 2 infected hairdressers as proof masks work has lost all credibility. Its the kind of scientism that thrives on social media. You do realize that half of the supposedly covid free clientel declined a pcr test? They just said they felt fine. I would not have gotten a passing grade in high scool if I had turned that paper in as proof of masking. Since 2020 any crap, no matter how idiotic, as long as it supports masking, is passed off as science. Some days reddit clearly leaks into HN.

atoav 5y ago
Sorry but masks are not a very disputes issue anymore. I mean it is a airborne virus, how other than filtering air you breath in and out would you practically target it? Weirdly enough nobody seems to doubt HEPA filters work. Maybe because they are more convenient and don't demand that you wear a piece of cloth in your face?
- tinus_hn 5y ago
  Gee, why would a filter designed and proven to filter certain particles work, and a piece of cloth designed to be clothing not work? It must be an anti mask conspiracy!
quitit 5y ago
Yeah i did, it’s clear you didn’t.

throwntoday 5y ago

It doesn't matter what the truth is at this point because the majority of scientist have demonstrated they are massive cowards and won't speak out against patently false information in the mainstream for fear of becoming pariahs.

atoav 5y ago
I have experienced the polar opposite (non US citizen)
nuerow 5y ago
> It doesn't matter what the truth is at this point because the majority of scientist have demonstrated they are massive cowards (...) Before you go on attacking others for being cowards, what would you do if you started receiving death threats because you chose to speak publiy about an issue which an extremist political movement frowns upon? https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02757-3 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02757-3
- jjeaff 5y ago
  And what about if people were calling your spouse and kids with death threats? Which is also something that is happening.
  - throwntoday 5y ago
    If you don't possess some means of defending your family from real threats, you've already failed at your job. I understand HN leans left, but buy guns and learn to use them. The police will not be there to help you when you need it.
    - jjeaff 5y ago
      That's ridiculous. Like saying, hey poking that bear is no big deal because I have a gun. Threats alone are enough to make life miserable. Having an arsenal of guns will be of little comfort to your family.

pangolinplayer 5y ago

It's a sham

stefantalpalaru 5y ago

> (while conveniently also not providing any data to back up such a claim.) "The intervention increased proper mask-wearing from 13.3% in control villages (N=806,547 observations) to 42.3% in treatment villages (N=797,715 observations) (adjusted percentage point difference = 0.29 \[0.27, 0.31\]). This tripling of mask usage was sustained during the intervention period and two weeks after. \[...\] The proportion of individuals with COVID-like symptoms was __7.62%__ (N=13,273) in the intervention arm and __8.62%__ (N=13,893) in the control arm." - ["The Impact of Community Masking on COVID-19: A Cluster-Randomized Trial in Bangladesh" (2021)](https://www.poverty-action.org/sites/default/files/publications/Mask_RCT____Symptomatic_Seropositivity_083121.pdf https://www.poverty-action.org/sites/default/files/publicati...) "SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected, when the first event (infection or vaccination) occurred during January and February of 2021." - ["Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections" (2021)](https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v...)

d1a2n 5y ago

Uhhhmmm... Excuse me sweaty, but you're arguing with a professor of epidemiology based on your Google "research", so uhh, how about you leave the science to the experts and sit this one out.

mousepilot 5y ago

Unfortunately at this stage of the pandemic, most peoples minds are made up about everything. There's enough refusenics that the virus will find a reservoir to do its mutating thing, so I think no matter what sensible people say its just a moot point.