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I find this kind of thinking kind of insulting actually. As a guy with a physics degree who's doing machine learning (precisely what the author bemoans), I don

I find this kind of thinking kind of insulting actually. As a guy with a physics degree who's doing machine learning (precisely what the author bemoans), I don't feel like I "lapsed". I have other interests besides physics. There's a lot of things that aren't physics. > What they're not doing is advancing the human understanding of the physical world. I don't owe you anything. If this is your dream than do it yourself.

dash2 5y ago
He didn't blame the individuals, instead he argued that there's a social problem which society needs to solve.
- watwut 5y ago
  And countra argument is that smart capable educated people choosing to do machine learning instead of physics is not social issue. That it is them not lapsing and doing less worthy intellectual pursuit.
  - Shacklz 5y ago
    > And countra argument is that smart capable educated people choosing to do machine learning instead of physics is not social issue. You want your brightest in society to do things that further society/humanity as a whole; playing the stock-market game or optimizing models to further consumerism (which is what most ML in the industry boils down to, let's be honest) isn't exactly doing that. Everyone's absolutely free to work on whatever they want, that's for sure. But from a society point of view, we should ask ourselves if our system sets the right incentives.
  - Jensson 5y ago
    > smart capable educated people choosing to do machine learning instead of physics is not social issue It definitely is a social issue, the main reason people make that switch is money and money is a social issue. Why would you make less money doing physics research than helping advertisers better manipulate people? There is no reason, currently society rewards the later more than the former, but in another society it could be the other way around. So the problem isn't if you as an individual choose to switch field since you'd like that field better, but all those who switched since that field pays better. That is the social issue.

dash2 5y ago

He didn't blame the individuals, instead he argued that there's a social problem which society needs to solve.

watwut 5y ago
And countra argument is that smart capable educated people choosing to do machine learning instead of physics is not social issue. That it is them not lapsing and doing less worthy intellectual pursuit.
- Shacklz 5y ago
  > And countra argument is that smart capable educated people choosing to do machine learning instead of physics is not social issue. You want your brightest in society to do things that further society/humanity as a whole; playing the stock-market game or optimizing models to further consumerism (which is what most ML in the industry boils down to, let's be honest) isn't exactly doing that. Everyone's absolutely free to work on whatever they want, that's for sure. But from a society point of view, we should ask ourselves if our system sets the right incentives.
- Jensson 5y ago
  > smart capable educated people choosing to do machine learning instead of physics is not social issue It definitely is a social issue, the main reason people make that switch is money and money is a social issue. Why would you make less money doing physics research than helping advertisers better manipulate people? There is no reason, currently society rewards the later more than the former, but in another society it could be the other way around. So the problem isn't if you as an individual choose to switch field since you'd like that field better, but all those who switched since that field pays better. That is the social issue.