> Which seems for both gnome, and now windows even means "Lets look at what Apple is doing and copy them" That's an accusation that gets thrown around from tim

> Which seems for both gnome, and now windows even means "Lets look at what Apple is doing and copy them" That's an accusation that gets thrown around from time to time. In what aspect do you think that Gnome is copying Apple/Mac? > It has been expressed mutiple points in this thread, and is the over arching implication in "why dont you just contribute to make gnome better" I'm only talking about the thread back to the root of the discussion that we're (hopefully) having. It's possible that this was expressed somewhere else in this HN discussion but not by me and not by the OP (of the thread). > the people that control gnome have no interest in making it "better" for users like me. Well, yes. They don't. In my opinion, that has multiple reasons: 1) There are no 'users like me'. Let me explain. There's a bunch of very vocal (former/one-time/ongoing) Gnome users that are unhappy with various "things" that Gnome is doing. But these "things" are never the same and there is no agreement on how it ought to be done, just that Gnome is doing it "wrong". So there's no 'making it "better" for users like me". Any change could be loved by one part of that unhappy group, disliked by another, loathed by a third and seen as beside-the-point for the remainder. There are no "users like me". 2) No pitching in. When I hear people complaining about Gnome, about the devs and how awful they are and how mean, I seldom (never?) get any links to examples of bad interactions. It at all, I get pointers to the gitlab.gnome.org bug tracker where there's a bunch of complaints from the peanut gallery about how bad the Gnome devs are. Most of the complains come from users that have did not contribute to Gnome whatsoever. Except the complaints and rants and insults. I do have an idea why the Gnome devs would rather ignore the input of such users.