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The point is she was being hyper critical of her past schema to make a larger point.

by gfodor 5y ago

mwcampbell 5y ago
And IIUC, the larger point, made by the twist ending, is that we shouldn't be so critical, but try to actually help newbies learn what we insist that they should know.
- erikerikson 5y ago
  It seemed to me the point was that if the industry remains designed to push out experienced engineers that there won't be anyone to mentor the engineers that are just beginning their careers. Further that we will bend the productivity of the field downward and have less effective systems.
  - sokoloff 5y ago
    In what way is the industry designed that way now? Maybe some get sucked into management roles, but I don’t see any evidence of a broad design to push them out.
    - wbl 5y ago
      Look at the way we screen resumes, or valorize work conditions incompatible with having family obligations. Ageism in the tech industry is rife.
      - bialpio 5y ago
        Or how leetcode heavy hiring favors folks that tend to be more fresh out of college & folks who have time to prepare for them.
    - erikerikson 5y ago
      Role count pyramids, volume and inflexibility of working hours, abusive management techniques, a constant treadmill of the new hotness, more... Some offices avoid many of the challenging patterns but not the vast majority. A lot of it is natural result of the newness of the industry and the high stakes of investment. Many of the work and organizational model assumptions mean that offering flexibility to employees complicates the already challenging management role. Given the power of those roles, this means workers largely must fit into the mold rather than designing a working relationship that meets all needs. As the needs change predictably over time a mounting pressure develops. I'm only 17 years in but it has gotten harder and harder to find someone willing to leave me to simply code in peace and quiet and dig my brain into deep and interesting problems.
dehrmann 5y ago
I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, I appreciate the larger point, and pointing out mistakes again goes against that point. On the other, the post had so many technical details it overshadowed the larger point, especially for something that wasn't obviously broken.

The point is she was being hyper critical of her past schema to make a larger point.

by gfodor 5y ago

The point is she was being hyper critical of her past schema to make a larger point.

And IIUC, the larger point, made by the twist ending, is that we shouldn't be so critical, but try to actually help newbies learn what we insist that they should know.

erikerikson 5y ago
It seemed to me the point was that if the industry remains designed to push out experienced engineers that there won't be anyone to mentor the engineers that are just beginning their careers. Further that we will bend the productivity of the field downward and have less effective systems.
- sokoloff 5y ago
  In what way is the industry designed that way now? Maybe some get sucked into management roles, but I don’t see any evidence of a broad design to push them out.
  - wbl 5y ago
    Look at the way we screen resumes, or valorize work conditions incompatible with having family obligations. Ageism in the tech industry is rife.
    - bialpio 5y ago
      Or how leetcode heavy hiring favors folks that tend to be more fresh out of college & folks who have time to prepare for them.
  - erikerikson 5y ago
    Role count pyramids, volume and inflexibility of working hours, abusive management techniques, a constant treadmill of the new hotness, more... Some offices avoid many of the challenging patterns but not the vast majority. A lot of it is natural result of the newness of the industry and the high stakes of investment. Many of the work and organizational model assumptions mean that offering flexibility to employees complicates the already challenging management role. Given the power of those roles, this means workers largely must fit into the mold rather than designing a working relationship that meets all needs. As the needs change predictably over time a mounting pressure develops. I'm only 17 years in but it has gotten harder and harder to find someone willing to leave me to simply code in peace and quiet and dig my brain into deep and interesting problems.

dehrmann 5y ago

I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, I appreciate the larger point, and pointing out mistakes again goes against that point. On the other, the post had so many technical details it overshadowed the larger point, especially for something that wasn't obviously broken.