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Honestly, most of us are on Twitter right now, that's the best place to see discussions at the moment. I try to optimize for higher signal rather than hype, fee

Honestly, most of us are on Twitter right now, that's the best place to see discussions at the moment. I try to optimize for higher signal rather than hype, feel free to look at who I follow and build out from there: https://twitter.com/the_carlosdp/following https://twitter.com/the_carlosdp/following . HN isn't going to be that venue at the moment, seems pretty hostile to web3/crypto. That'll change eventually, but for now you gotta look elsewhere.

davidmurdoch 5y ago
I work in crypto as well (Consensys) but find that I enjoy the minor hostility towards crypto here on HN, as crypto Twitter sometimes looks like one giant circle jerk (or pub brawl if you find yourself on the "{insert-cryptocurrency-flavor-here} maximalist" side of the camp).
- carlosdp 5y ago
  I used to as well, but these days I find sorting through optimism much more useful than sorting through pessimism when building in the space. It's much more fruitful to talk down someone buying too much hype and learning the one component that maybe isn't hype than arguing with someone on HN that is stuck in 2017 and still thinks there's absolutely no value in web3/crypto tech.
- PragmaticPulp 5y ago
  > as crypto Twitter sometimes looks like one giant circle jerk (or pub brawl if you find yourself on the "{insert-cryptocurrency-flavor-here} maximalist" side of the camp). Strongly agree. It’s hard to find anyone honestly discussing crypto things on Twitter because any mention of a project or currency becomes a magnet for low-effort pump efforts. Saying anything negative results in weird, low-effort pile ons and attacks. It’s also just plain boring. Everyone is posting “how NFTs will change _____” threads now that don’t even make sense. That’s because they’re not interested in actually using NFTs, they’re only interested in collecting followers and “selling shovels” in the latest iteration of the crypto gold rush.
- TigeriusKirk 5y ago
  I don't find the hostility on HN useful at all. It's the same negative comments recycled over and over and over and over and over and over. Crypto twitter certainly suffers from hype and flavor-of-the-day profit chasing, but it's also got thoughtful discussion of real problems. Twitter isn't the ideal format for a lot of it, but it's what we have today.
JohnFen 5y ago
> HN isn't going to be that venue at the moment, seems pretty hostile to web3/crypto. I actually don't think HN is hostile to web3/crypto specifically. I think HN is suspicious of hype, and the hype level around those things is pretty insane. I see a lot of skeptical comments that boil down to "but what is it actually good for?", and there's never really a good answer posted to that question. To me, that's an indication that there's more hype than substance. But who knows? That could change in the future.
- GDC7 5y ago
  > but what is it actually good for What are elections good for in a country of 350mm people? Crypto is a social movement, they are much more massive and powerful than technological ones. They also provide huge returns when you embrace that you are making a social-movement type bet. When Soros bankrupted the Bank of England it was a social bet on the various cogwheels falling in place for the short-selling to work. The profit of that short is real money, even though it was not a bet on technology. There are many ways to skin a cat, people have to understand that betting on technological trends is kind of a new thing, for our whole history as a specie we only bet on social movements And also there is almost no technological bet that is purely that. For example, people betting on Microsoft in 1994 were not only betting on the company, but also making social-science type bet that people would fall in love with the computer via a GUI, in a way that didn't happen up to then via the command interface.
  - JohnFen 5y ago
    > Crypto is a social movement OK, but HN is primarily a technical forum, and so cryptocurrency is typically viewed mostly with that filter. Presenting it as a social movement makes it immediately more in the political realm -- and that only raises more questions and potential problems. It also brings in the potential for genuine controversy without clarifying much.
    - GDC7 5y ago
      > Presenting it as a social movement Wasn't Windows 95 a social movement? Maybe there wasn't a sense of rage from the masses towards the few people who could use a computer (via a Command line interface) but the end result is the same as the aims of cryptocurrency movement. Moving from a world where a very few % of the population is able to use a particular tool towards a world where everybody can do it. Reverse repos, loans off appreciating assets and so forth are only availible to few.
Mortiffer 5y ago
Not to be rude but i tried to go through a fair number of the twitter accounts you follow and i still see mostly self congratulations for being in early hyping self or hyping friends products... Gonna try starting with only following the core devs of the top projects and see how that goes

davidmurdoch 5y ago

I work in crypto as well (Consensys) but find that I enjoy the minor hostility towards crypto here on HN, as crypto Twitter sometimes looks like one giant circle jerk (or pub brawl if you find yourself on the "{insert-cryptocurrency-flavor-here} maximalist" side of the camp).

carlosdp 5y ago
I used to as well, but these days I find sorting through optimism much more useful than sorting through pessimism when building in the space. It's much more fruitful to talk down someone buying too much hype and learning the one component that maybe isn't hype than arguing with someone on HN that is stuck in 2017 and still thinks there's absolutely no value in web3/crypto tech.
PragmaticPulp 5y ago
> as crypto Twitter sometimes looks like one giant circle jerk (or pub brawl if you find yourself on the "{insert-cryptocurrency-flavor-here} maximalist" side of the camp). Strongly agree. It’s hard to find anyone honestly discussing crypto things on Twitter because any mention of a project or currency becomes a magnet for low-effort pump efforts. Saying anything negative results in weird, low-effort pile ons and attacks. It’s also just plain boring. Everyone is posting “how NFTs will change _____” threads now that don’t even make sense. That’s because they’re not interested in actually using NFTs, they’re only interested in collecting followers and “selling shovels” in the latest iteration of the crypto gold rush.
TigeriusKirk 5y ago
I don't find the hostility on HN useful at all. It's the same negative comments recycled over and over and over and over and over and over. Crypto twitter certainly suffers from hype and flavor-of-the-day profit chasing, but it's also got thoughtful discussion of real problems. Twitter isn't the ideal format for a lot of it, but it's what we have today.

JohnFen 5y ago

> HN isn't going to be that venue at the moment, seems pretty hostile to web3/crypto. I actually don't think HN is hostile to web3/crypto specifically. I think HN is suspicious of hype, and the hype level around those things is pretty insane. I see a lot of skeptical comments that boil down to "but what is it actually good for?", and there's never really a good answer posted to that question. To me, that's an indication that there's more hype than substance. But who knows? That could change in the future.

GDC7 5y ago
> but what is it actually good for What are elections good for in a country of 350mm people? Crypto is a social movement, they are much more massive and powerful than technological ones. They also provide huge returns when you embrace that you are making a social-movement type bet. When Soros bankrupted the Bank of England it was a social bet on the various cogwheels falling in place for the short-selling to work. The profit of that short is real money, even though it was not a bet on technology. There are many ways to skin a cat, people have to understand that betting on technological trends is kind of a new thing, for our whole history as a specie we only bet on social movements And also there is almost no technological bet that is purely that. For example, people betting on Microsoft in 1994 were not only betting on the company, but also making social-science type bet that people would fall in love with the computer via a GUI, in a way that didn't happen up to then via the command interface.
- JohnFen 5y ago
  > Crypto is a social movement OK, but HN is primarily a technical forum, and so cryptocurrency is typically viewed mostly with that filter. Presenting it as a social movement makes it immediately more in the political realm -- and that only raises more questions and potential problems. It also brings in the potential for genuine controversy without clarifying much.
  - GDC7 5y ago
    > Presenting it as a social movement Wasn't Windows 95 a social movement? Maybe there wasn't a sense of rage from the masses towards the few people who could use a computer (via a Command line interface) but the end result is the same as the aims of cryptocurrency movement. Moving from a world where a very few % of the population is able to use a particular tool towards a world where everybody can do it. Reverse repos, loans off appreciating assets and so forth are only availible to few.

Mortiffer 5y ago

Not to be rude but i tried to go through a fair number of the twitter accounts you follow and i still see mostly self congratulations for being in early hyping self or hyping friends products... Gonna try starting with only following the core devs of the top projects and see how that goes