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From what I've heard, hi res displays, and other features that work perfectly on macs such as suspend/hibernate on closing the laptop, can still be problematic

From what I've heard, hi res displays, and other features that work perfectly on macs such as suspend/hibernate on closing the laptop, can still be problematic just like 10 years ago when I last had a linux laptop. Is that fair?

igetspam 5y ago
It is. Every time my laptop screen blanks or go s to sleep, I have to fix my displays. Not everything is perfect but minor nits are solvable..
xur17 5y ago
I think that's fair. I will say, I select for laptops that are known to have good linux support (ex: Thinkpad X1), and my last few have worked pretty well. Sometimes there are weird quirks, but honestly no more than my macbook has.
derekjdanserl 5y ago
This is the single problem I have with running Ubuntu 20.04 on my laptop. It takes about 1.5 minutes to wake up. But it does wake up, and then it’s far better than any alternatives
lillecarl 5y ago
I'm running NixOS and they take care of my boot stages automatically. I have 2 disks with one boot partition each (unencrypted boot), raid1 for swap and data and neither suspend or hibernate is a problem, though I've previously had issues with not finding my bootloader at all, seems to be solved by calling sync on my boot partitions once I update grub (which nixos does every time I "rebuild" my setup, which is several times a day). This is on a System76 Lemur Pro (lemp10). The fancurve in the firmware is suboptimal, but there's a merged PR for solving that too. I hope they make a fanless ultrabook (don't care if ARM or x86 tbh, as long as KVM works and AES is accelerated), then I could buy one for home as well. I should note that it naturally takes awhile to wake from hibernation if I had a lot of applications running (40GB RAM, which is a weird configuration)
- mst 5y ago
  Fond though I am of grub (for 'crusty sysadmin' values of fond, admittedly, but nonetheless), if it has all the features you need the nixos systemd-boot support seems to be much simpler to drive and debug.
  - lillecarl 5y ago
    Absolutely, sadly it doesn't support copying itself to two locations natively like grub, might be an easy fix but I haven't looked into it. You can't raid your boot partition so if you have 2 disks and want to be able to boot from both of them you need this operation. Maybe it could be solved with something as simple as an rsync between /boot and /boot-fallback, no clue.
    - mst 5y ago
      I suspect that wouldn't be tricky but I've been focusing on helping out with Hydra development recently - once I get confidence with core-fu I expect to rewrite the grub stuff to be sensible modern perl first - but I mentioned systemd-boot for people who aren't me (and apparently aren't you either ;). Definitely enjoying nixos so far though :D
pbalau 5y ago
There is an argument that those things work that well because Apple can sort the software for a reduced set of hardware configurations. Which means that System76 could achieve the same with their own set of configurations. On the other hand, Windows seems to be getting it right on many more configurations, not on all of them, but on many more than MacOS and Linux. Not sure how reliable this data is, but here you go . https://hostingtribunal.com/blog/operating-systems-market-share https://hostingtribunal.com/blog/operating-systems-market-sh...

igetspam 5y ago

It is. Every time my laptop screen blanks or go s to sleep, I have to fix my displays. Not everything is perfect but minor nits are solvable..

xur17 5y ago

I think that's fair. I will say, I select for laptops that are known to have good linux support (ex: Thinkpad X1), and my last few have worked pretty well. Sometimes there are weird quirks, but honestly no more than my macbook has.

derekjdanserl 5y ago

This is the single problem I have with running Ubuntu 20.04 on my laptop. It takes about 1.5 minutes to wake up. But it does wake up, and then it’s far better than any alternatives

lillecarl 5y ago

I'm running NixOS and they take care of my boot stages automatically. I have 2 disks with one boot partition each (unencrypted boot), raid1 for swap and data and neither suspend or hibernate is a problem, though I've previously had issues with not finding my bootloader at all, seems to be solved by calling sync on my boot partitions once I update grub (which nixos does every time I "rebuild" my setup, which is several times a day). This is on a System76 Lemur Pro (lemp10). The fancurve in the firmware is suboptimal, but there's a merged PR for solving that too. I hope they make a fanless ultrabook (don't care if ARM or x86 tbh, as long as KVM works and AES is accelerated), then I could buy one for home as well. I should note that it naturally takes awhile to wake from hibernation if I had a lot of applications running (40GB RAM, which is a weird configuration)

mst 5y ago
Fond though I am of grub (for 'crusty sysadmin' values of fond, admittedly, but nonetheless), if it has all the features you need the nixos systemd-boot support seems to be much simpler to drive and debug.
- lillecarl 5y ago
  Absolutely, sadly it doesn't support copying itself to two locations natively like grub, might be an easy fix but I haven't looked into it. You can't raid your boot partition so if you have 2 disks and want to be able to boot from both of them you need this operation. Maybe it could be solved with something as simple as an rsync between /boot and /boot-fallback, no clue.
  - mst 5y ago
    I suspect that wouldn't be tricky but I've been focusing on helping out with Hydra development recently - once I get confidence with core-fu I expect to rewrite the grub stuff to be sensible modern perl first - but I mentioned systemd-boot for people who aren't me (and apparently aren't you either ;). Definitely enjoying nixos so far though :D

pbalau 5y ago

There is an argument that those things work that well because Apple can sort the software for a reduced set of hardware configurations. Which means that System76 could achieve the same with their own set of configurations. On the other hand, Windows seems to be getting it right on many more configurations, not on all of them, but on many more than MacOS and Linux. Not sure how reliable this data is, but here you go . https://hostingtribunal.com/blog/operating-systems-market-share https://hostingtribunal.com/blog/operating-systems-market-sh...