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>>hat goes beyond the desktop of the 80ies and 90ies. Which seems for both gnome, and now windows even means "Lets look at what Apple is doing and copy them"

by syshum 5y ago

>>hat goes beyond the desktop of the 80ies and 90ies. Which seems for both gnome, and now windows even means "Lets look at what Apple is doing and copy them" I hate Mac OS, I do not want to use a Mac, if I did I would buy a Mac. The fact that gnome wants to mirror their style and function to that of Apple is the problem I (and MANY MANY MANY others) have and they do not see to have any desire to change. >Nowhere in this thread was this expressed. It has been expressed mutiple points in this thread, and is the over arching implication in "why dont you just contribute to make gnome better" The reason is because "better" is subjective and subjectively people like the popos devs that are making their own DE's and others that have walked away from gnome feel gnome is worse, not better, and the people that control gnome have no interest in making it "better" for users like me.

esarbe 5y ago
> Which seems for both gnome, and now windows even means "Lets look at what Apple is doing and copy them" That's an accusation that gets thrown around from time to time. In what aspect do you think that Gnome is copying Apple/Mac? > It has been expressed mutiple points in this thread, and is the over arching implication in "why dont you just contribute to make gnome better" I'm only talking about the thread back to the root of the discussion that we're (hopefully) having. It's possible that this was expressed somewhere else in this HN discussion but not by me and not by the OP (of the thread). > the people that control gnome have no interest in making it "better" for users like me. Well, yes. They don't. In my opinion, that has multiple reasons: 1) There are no 'users like me'. Let me explain. There's a bunch of very vocal (former/one-time/ongoing) Gnome users that are unhappy with various "things" that Gnome is doing. But these "things" are never the same and there is no agreement on how it ought to be done, just that Gnome is doing it "wrong". So there's no 'making it "better" for users like me". Any change could be loved by one part of that unhappy group, disliked by another, loathed by a third and seen as beside-the-point for the remainder. There are no "users like me". 2) No pitching in. When I hear people complaining about Gnome, about the devs and how awful they are and how mean, I seldom (never?) get any links to examples of bad interactions. It at all, I get pointers to the gitlab.gnome.org bug tracker where there's a bunch of complaints from the peanut gallery about how bad the Gnome devs are. Most of the complains come from users that have did not contribute to Gnome whatsoever. Except the complaints and rants and insults. I do have an idea why the Gnome devs would rather ignore the input of such users.

by syshum 5y ago

esarbe 5y ago

> Which seems for both gnome, and now windows even means "Lets look at what Apple is doing and copy them" That's an accusation that gets thrown around from time to time. In what aspect do you think that Gnome is copying Apple/Mac? > It has been expressed mutiple points in this thread, and is the over arching implication in "why dont you just contribute to make gnome better" I'm only talking about the thread back to the root of the discussion that we're (hopefully) having. It's possible that this was expressed somewhere else in this HN discussion but not by me and not by the OP (of the thread). > the people that control gnome have no interest in making it "better" for users like me. Well, yes. They don't. In my opinion, that has multiple reasons: 1) There are no 'users like me'. Let me explain. There's a bunch of very vocal (former/one-time/ongoing) Gnome users that are unhappy with various "things" that Gnome is doing. But these "things" are never the same and there is no agreement on how it ought to be done, just that Gnome is doing it "wrong". So there's no 'making it "better" for users like me". Any change could be loved by one part of that unhappy group, disliked by another, loathed by a third and seen as beside-the-point for the remainder. There are no "users like me". 2) No pitching in. When I hear people complaining about Gnome, about the devs and how awful they are and how mean, I seldom (never?) get any links to examples of bad interactions. It at all, I get pointers to the gitlab.gnome.org bug tracker where there's a bunch of complaints from the peanut gallery about how bad the Gnome devs are. Most of the complains come from users that have did not contribute to Gnome whatsoever. Except the complaints and rants and insults. I do have an idea why the Gnome devs would rather ignore the input of such users.