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Ask HN: How long before a Search engine siginificantly outdoes Google Search?

Jugurtha 5y ago
What do you mean by "outdoes" and "significantly"? Which metrics would we use to know that a search engine significantly outdoes Google Search?
rel2thr 5y ago
I think Brave search will be a significant improvement once Goggles is implemented: https://brave.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/goggles.pdf https://brave.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/goggles.pdf The main problem with search today is the plethora of built for SEO sites low content sites , what we need is good enough search w/ a banned list of sites maintained by the community so these types of sites can be removed from the index. I think the goggles feature will allow that.
new_guy 5y ago
We're already there, people only use Google now because of habit. They don't provide relevant search results (look at the cancer image search with pinterest) they give you a list of what they have for sale containing the most keywords you searched for (paraphrased from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29137752 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29137752 ) Search is a solved problem and Google could get back on top easily but 'on top' means two different things. For Google 'on top' means giving people the links that make them the most money, not what they actually searched for, (that's why there's so much spam and content farms and just garbage being served up) and for us (the end users) 'on top' means a search engine that gives us what we're actually looking for. So Google won't change because for them they're already 'winning' but they've lost their core competency. A new search engine needs to disregard the top x sites totally, anything that's optimised for SEO, just drop it. More images than text on a page? Drop it etc. There's so much internet out there that's buried under all this cruft that Google serves up. Most people aren't aware of more than 5 or 6 sites, but there's thousands.
- hidden-spyder 5y ago
  I won't consider search a solved problem until someone demonstrates it. If we're already there, as you claim, then why hasn't anyone outdone Google?
  - freediver 5y ago
    For some people Kagi Search already outdones Google: https://kagi.com/faq#Why-use-Kagi-instead-of-Google https://kagi.com/faq#Why-use-Kagi-instead-of-Google if you want to know if it does it objectively, then you need to set an objective criteria - how do you measure it?
- ecpottinger 5y ago
  So give us a URL to test ourselves.

What do you mean by "outdoes" and "significantly"? Which metrics would we use to know that a search engine significantly outdoes Google Search?

rel2thr 5y ago

I think Brave search will be a significant improvement once Goggles is implemented: https://brave.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/goggles.pdf https://brave.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/goggles.pdf The main problem with search today is the plethora of built for SEO sites low content sites , what we need is good enough search w/ a banned list of sites maintained by the community so these types of sites can be removed from the index. I think the goggles feature will allow that.

new_guy 5y ago

We're already there, people only use Google now because of habit. They don't provide relevant search results (look at the cancer image search with pinterest) they give you a list of what they have for sale containing the most keywords you searched for (paraphrased from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29137752 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29137752 ) Search is a solved problem and Google could get back on top easily but 'on top' means two different things. For Google 'on top' means giving people the links that make them the most money, not what they actually searched for, (that's why there's so much spam and content farms and just garbage being served up) and for us (the end users) 'on top' means a search engine that gives us what we're actually looking for. So Google won't change because for them they're already 'winning' but they've lost their core competency. A new search engine needs to disregard the top x sites totally, anything that's optimised for SEO, just drop it. More images than text on a page? Drop it etc. There's so much internet out there that's buried under all this cruft that Google serves up. Most people aren't aware of more than 5 or 6 sites, but there's thousands.

hidden-spyder 5y ago
I won't consider search a solved problem until someone demonstrates it. If we're already there, as you claim, then why hasn't anyone outdone Google?
- freediver 5y ago
  For some people Kagi Search already outdones Google: https://kagi.com/faq#Why-use-Kagi-instead-of-Google https://kagi.com/faq#Why-use-Kagi-instead-of-Google if you want to know if it does it objectively, then you need to set an objective criteria - how do you measure it?
ecpottinger 5y ago
So give us a URL to test ourselves.