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If you have "OK Google" or whatever it is turned on, it is indeed listening to you. I've seen it with my parents. They will talk about it, not to their phones,

If you have "OK Google" or whatever it is turned on, it is indeed listening to you. I've seen it with my parents. They will talk about it, not to their phones, but around their phones, and they'll start seeing ads for something they talked about. I've always had that featured turned off (I have to press the button), and I don't notice it. My wife also sees it with her iPhone with siri turned on. I talked to her about, for example, Jordan Peterson, and her phone starts blowing up with Jordan Peterson on Instagram. I dont think it's pure coincidence.

gambiting 5y ago
>>I talked to her about, for example, Jordan Peterson, and her phone starts blowing up with Jordan Peterson on Instagram. And why did you talk to her about Jordan Peterson? Is it perhaps because you read an article about Jordan Peterson earlier? If so, I assume you both share the same IP at home - so she starts seeing things you viewed or browsed. Facebook owns Instagram too, so if you look at something on Instagram it's not that wild that your partner's Instagram starts showing her things that interest you - it's just association. >>If you have "OK Google" or whatever it is turned on, it is indeed listening to you. Sure, and that's what I meant in the first paragraph - no one has been able to prove that this feature is sending your voice to Google/apple/Amazon servers unless you trigger the key word. Recording and sending voice would create some trace and no one has been able to prove this exist. That's not me saying it doesn't exist, just that for what is supposedly wide spread phenomenon, we have no proof it's actually happening other than anecdotal stories which can be easily explained by other means.
ricardobayes 5y ago
Not sure why it's downvoted, it's been proved many times
- stagger87 5y ago
  Link?
- addingnumbers 5y ago
  Professionals and hobbyists who analyze smart phone app behavior with APK decompilers, reverse engineering suites, personal cell towers, SDN radios, SIM dongles, mobile device emulators, etc: "Facebook apps are not listening to your conversations in the background, if they were we'd have seen it here, here, here, and here." People with anecdata about which ads they see, who think of cell phones as inscrutable magic: "No, they definitely are. I can't (won't) think of any other way they'd infer my interests in these topics. You can't see it happening because they are too smart."
  - VRay 5y ago
    Yeah, I hate Facebook as much as anyone, but they’d have way too much to lose by deploying some sort of zero day-based hidden listening tools I guess the financial incentive might be there for some shady ad network to do it, but that’s just so much risk to take on for such a tiny gain per infected phone..
    - ricardobayes 5y ago
      I was talking about youtube. They do listen to show more relevant videos. I live in a very quiet household and if we say something out loud low and behold it will be in our recommended later.
      - gambiting 5y ago
        Again, anecdotes are not data. YouTube is extremely good at guessing things you might be interested in, you could try being completely mute in your household and then after a week you will have to arrive at only one of two conclusions 1) YouTube can read minds and they know what you just thought about 2) with statistical data from literally billions of people it's not so weird to guess what you might be thinking about and show you a video about it. Again, if they(your phone? Watch? Toaster?) were listening someone would have found some evidence by now, a trace of voice recordings being sent or even something that looks like it might be voice recordings. Yet we have zero. It's not happening, the much easier and much more probable explanation is that we're already tracked through every online service we ever touch, but also we are linked to people we live with or people we interact with, and for a company that possesses exabytes of data it can analyse it's easier to trawl that than try to sneak out voice recordings out of your phone.
VRay 5y ago
Nothing like this ever happens to me with Alexa or Siri always listening, but I have all my web browsers locked down and I don’t use any Facebook apps/sites I think you need to look into how pervasive and creepy ad network tracking is: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/12/20/opinion/location-data-national-security.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/12/20/opinion/locat...

gambiting 5y ago

>>I talked to her about, for example, Jordan Peterson, and her phone starts blowing up with Jordan Peterson on Instagram. And why did you talk to her about Jordan Peterson? Is it perhaps because you read an article about Jordan Peterson earlier? If so, I assume you both share the same IP at home - so she starts seeing things you viewed or browsed. Facebook owns Instagram too, so if you look at something on Instagram it's not that wild that your partner's Instagram starts showing her things that interest you - it's just association. >>If you have "OK Google" or whatever it is turned on, it is indeed listening to you. Sure, and that's what I meant in the first paragraph - no one has been able to prove that this feature is sending your voice to Google/apple/Amazon servers unless you trigger the key word. Recording and sending voice would create some trace and no one has been able to prove this exist. That's not me saying it doesn't exist, just that for what is supposedly wide spread phenomenon, we have no proof it's actually happening other than anecdotal stories which can be easily explained by other means.

ricardobayes 5y ago

Not sure why it's downvoted, it's been proved many times

stagger87 5y ago
Link?
addingnumbers 5y ago
Professionals and hobbyists who analyze smart phone app behavior with APK decompilers, reverse engineering suites, personal cell towers, SDN radios, SIM dongles, mobile device emulators, etc: "Facebook apps are not listening to your conversations in the background, if they were we'd have seen it here, here, here, and here." People with anecdata about which ads they see, who think of cell phones as inscrutable magic: "No, they definitely are. I can't (won't) think of any other way they'd infer my interests in these topics. You can't see it happening because they are too smart."
- VRay 5y ago
  Yeah, I hate Facebook as much as anyone, but they’d have way too much to lose by deploying some sort of zero day-based hidden listening tools I guess the financial incentive might be there for some shady ad network to do it, but that’s just so much risk to take on for such a tiny gain per infected phone..
  - ricardobayes 5y ago
    I was talking about youtube. They do listen to show more relevant videos. I live in a very quiet household and if we say something out loud low and behold it will be in our recommended later.
    - gambiting 5y ago
      Again, anecdotes are not data. YouTube is extremely good at guessing things you might be interested in, you could try being completely mute in your household and then after a week you will have to arrive at only one of two conclusions 1) YouTube can read minds and they know what you just thought about 2) with statistical data from literally billions of people it's not so weird to guess what you might be thinking about and show you a video about it. Again, if they(your phone? Watch? Toaster?) were listening someone would have found some evidence by now, a trace of voice recordings being sent or even something that looks like it might be voice recordings. Yet we have zero. It's not happening, the much easier and much more probable explanation is that we're already tracked through every online service we ever touch, but also we are linked to people we live with or people we interact with, and for a company that possesses exabytes of data it can analyse it's easier to trawl that than try to sneak out voice recordings out of your phone.

VRay 5y ago

Nothing like this ever happens to me with Alexa or Siri always listening, but I have all my web browsers locked down and I don’t use any Facebook apps/sites I think you need to look into how pervasive and creepy ad network tracking is: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/12/20/opinion/location-data-national-security.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/12/20/opinion/locat...