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So you are saying they don't know where to start, and as an example of someone not knowing where to start you present... yourself, doing the exact thing you cla

• alpaca128 5y ago
  > yourself, doing the exact thing you claim they can't do I'm confused. Where did I describe doing something as example of not being able to do it? Maybe I worded something wrong. My point was just that I was completely lost and confused in many areas for years until I went out of my way to learn things properly, despite everyone teaching me to not do it like that.
  • agent327 5y ago
    You wrote: "No, they don't. Because they don't even know where to start. They never learned anything outside of the compile button and the project settings. I know because I was in that boat once." The original statement was that people can learn about lower-level details when stuff breaks. You quoted this statement, and then add the claim they can't learn [when stuff breaks], "because they don't even know where to start". You support that by adding personal experience: "I know because I was in that boat once". However, for other people in that proverbial boat, it seems to me that they can do the same thing that you apparently did, which is to learn what they need to know - something you deny is possible: "no, they don't." Also, since we are quibbling about text interpretation, I'm fairly confident that nobody is _teaching_ you not to use a non-IDE approach to development. Maybe they are advising it (on the basis of IDEs being more approachable to a student) or demanding it (on the basis of an entire team working with the same tools), but _teaching_? I don't think that's right.