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> I don't think homogeneity is what makes Japan work. More likely it's a common identity and shared values. Isn't that a type of homogeneity? > You can have t

> I don't think homogeneity is what makes Japan work. More likely it's a common identity and shared values. Isn't that a type of homogeneity? > You can have that without everyone looking the same or having the same ancestry. Surely it helps a great deal though.

civilized 5y ago
I don't know. According to Albion's Seed, America was populated from England by four different types of people with very similar ancestry (relative to the diversity of the US today). They settled in completely different regions of the country, but they still managed to drive each other crazy with cultural differences and ultimately almost ripped the country apart. If the people had been different skin colors but agreed about slavery, there would have been less trouble. So maybe shared values are more important.
- superflit2 5y ago
  No. The conflicts started after people from other origins were admitted.
  - civilized 5y ago
    If the choice you're complaining about is bringing in slaves, that choice was made by the homogeneous English immigrants. So apparently homogeneity doesn't always lead to good choices. Consistently practicing the Christian values they preached might have, though. So really this is just another point for common culture > ethnic homogeneity.
    - superflit2 5y ago
      Nope. The Christians were against the slave trade and fight against it. You may be talking about the "Jesus Company" where its founder was a converso (converted) [1]. You may consider that the `the homogeneous English immigrants` were the only ones to BAN and forbid the slave trade. [1] - https://library.oapen.org/bitstream/handle/20.500.12657/38170/9789047444114_webready_content_text.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y https://library.oapen.org/bitstream/handle/20.500.12657/3817...
      - civilized 5y ago
        Wow. Are you under the impression that Christian English settlers didn't oversee slavery in America? Are you not familiar with how they used the Bible to justify slavery? These are real basics of American history.
        superflit2 5y ago
        It is a cheap shot because the Only people to stand up against slavery and fight against slavery of Another race was these `Christian English` people. I am under impression they were the only ONES to object to it. Until they came everybody was OK with slavery. And slavery is still practiced in some parts of Africa[1]. Slavery was common including black owned slaves[2] Then these pesky Christian English started talking about freedom, equality, individual rights, etc. Whole world silent and they talking about the horrors of slavery. No one else cared about it, no one else fight for it. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_21st_century#/media/File:Maps_Global_Slavery_Index_2019.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_21st_century#/m... [2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Black_slave_owners_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Black_slave_owners_in...

civilized 5y ago

I don't know. According to Albion's Seed, America was populated from England by four different types of people with very similar ancestry (relative to the diversity of the US today). They settled in completely different regions of the country, but they still managed to drive each other crazy with cultural differences and ultimately almost ripped the country apart. If the people had been different skin colors but agreed about slavery, there would have been less trouble. So maybe shared values are more important.

superflit2 5y ago
No. The conflicts started after people from other origins were admitted.
- civilized 5y ago
  If the choice you're complaining about is bringing in slaves, that choice was made by the homogeneous English immigrants. So apparently homogeneity doesn't always lead to good choices. Consistently practicing the Christian values they preached might have, though. So really this is just another point for common culture > ethnic homogeneity.
  - superflit2 5y ago
    Nope. The Christians were against the slave trade and fight against it. You may be talking about the "Jesus Company" where its founder was a converso (converted) [1]. You may consider that the `the homogeneous English immigrants` were the only ones to BAN and forbid the slave trade. [1] - https://library.oapen.org/bitstream/handle/20.500.12657/38170/9789047444114_webready_content_text.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y https://library.oapen.org/bitstream/handle/20.500.12657/3817...
    - civilized 5y ago
      Wow. Are you under the impression that Christian English settlers didn't oversee slavery in America? Are you not familiar with how they used the Bible to justify slavery? These are real basics of American history.
      - superflit2 5y ago
        It is a cheap shot because the Only people to stand up against slavery and fight against slavery of Another race was these `Christian English` people. I am under impression they were the only ONES to object to it. Until they came everybody was OK with slavery. And slavery is still practiced in some parts of Africa[1]. Slavery was common including black owned slaves[2] Then these pesky Christian English started talking about freedom, equality, individual rights, etc. Whole world silent and they talking about the horrors of slavery. No one else cared about it, no one else fight for it. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_21st_century#/media/File:Maps_Global_Slavery_Index_2019.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_21st_century#/m... [2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Black_slave_owners_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Black_slave_owners_in...