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or even changing the SIM card and putting it into another phone while driving ?

by rvnx 5y ago

jaclaz 5y ago
Changing a mini/micro/nano SIM, removing it from one phone to insert it in another one while driving would be IMHO the "essence" of distracted driving, BUT in this specific case it was an (automatic? or previous?) update, from the article: >In this particular case, the phone had recently downloaded an update that included new baseband firmware. That was almost certainly the trigger for this message. The "recently" is "vague" enough, as we don't know how much time passes after tyhe update for the SMS to be sent by the SIM, it could be milliseconds but as well several minutes or even hours.
avs733 5y ago
Both of those are hypotheticals the other side would have to provide some evidence to support in court The investigation here was grounded in an attorney reading a report and saying “look person sent a text message at time x just before crash” and a forensic analysis instead showing that the SIM card sent the message not the person. That debunks the claim of distracted driving based on the text message timing. That’s the point, if they have evidence someone was swapping sims or interacting with the phone to run and update that’s an entirely separate matter
- emodendroket 5y ago
  I have to say that someone swapping SIM cards or initiating a phone update while driving also seems pretty improbable.
  - avs733 5y ago
    The proliferation of dashcams has caused me to re-evaluate the probabilities I assign to events of rank stupidity while driving.
  - lostlogin 5y ago
    > initiating a phone update while driving also seems pretty improbable Does it? I'd guess it's about 3 clicks, and certainly less than 10.
    - emodendroket 5y ago
      Why would the type of driver who wants to putz with the phone while driving choose to kick off a process that will make the phone unresponsive for 15 minutes?
tgtweak 5y ago
It also happens after a firmware update on the device.

or even changing the SIM card and putting it into another phone while driving ?

by rvnx 5y ago

or even changing the SIM card and putting it into another phone while driving ?

Changing a mini/micro/nano SIM, removing it from one phone to insert it in another one while driving would be IMHO the "essence" of distracted driving, BUT in this specific case it was an (automatic? or previous?) update, from the article: >In this particular case, the phone had recently downloaded an update that included new baseband firmware. That was almost certainly the trigger for this message. The "recently" is "vague" enough, as we don't know how much time passes after tyhe update for the SMS to be sent by the SIM, it could be milliseconds but as well several minutes or even hours.

avs733 5y ago

Both of those are hypotheticals the other side would have to provide some evidence to support in court The investigation here was grounded in an attorney reading a report and saying “look person sent a text message at time x just before crash” and a forensic analysis instead showing that the SIM card sent the message not the person. That debunks the claim of distracted driving based on the text message timing. That’s the point, if they have evidence someone was swapping sims or interacting with the phone to run and update that’s an entirely separate matter

emodendroket 5y ago
I have to say that someone swapping SIM cards or initiating a phone update while driving also seems pretty improbable.
- avs733 5y ago
  The proliferation of dashcams has caused me to re-evaluate the probabilities I assign to events of rank stupidity while driving.
- lostlogin 5y ago
  > initiating a phone update while driving also seems pretty improbable Does it? I'd guess it's about 3 clicks, and certainly less than 10.
  - emodendroket 5y ago
    Why would the type of driver who wants to putz with the phone while driving choose to kick off a process that will make the phone unresponsive for 15 minutes?

tgtweak 5y ago

It also happens after a firmware update on the device.