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I don’t think most foreigners are willing to do the work that it takes to “make Tokyo work,” which I have seen first-hand. First, there is the tax rate, which
by numair 5y ago
I don’t think most foreigners are willing to do the work that it takes to “make Tokyo work,” which I have seen first-hand.
First, there is the tax rate, which is super-high and the vast majority of Japanese pay without complaint. I am pretty sure there’s the highest top bracket in the world, and it’s super-progressive so you hit it quickly. Many of the foreigners who move to Japan try all sorts of tricks to avoid paying it (you get 5 years to avoid paying on foreign income not brought into the country), which just makes everyone else silently dislike them even more. I’ve literally been at a Japanese government office filing papers and overheard a Singapore resident asking a government employee if he can just transfer his business to a family member to avoid the tax rate because “it’s just too much.”
Then you’ve got the sense of shared suffering that is part of Japanese culture and super important. I think a lot of people who talk about “racial cohesion” are incorrectly identifying this, which is basically a sense that “we are all here to make this work for each other, and if you’re not you’re part of an other.” It’s not a race thing, although it can appear that way to others — if you’ve grown up in Northern Europe, you’ll understand what I mean; it’s kind of like the Asian version of Jante Law.
I can’t stress that shared suffering thing enough. Since the 1600s, Tokyo was destroyed on average of, like, once every 10 years, and right now everyone’s just waiting for the Great Earthquake and The Great Mount Fuji Eruption. It’s a hilarious, tragic, comical, romantic drama that plays out in the Japanese subconscious. (And since everyone will continue to pay a surtax for their shared national obligation to rebuild after the Fukushima earthquake — a tax that will continue for another decade — everyone’s also acutely aware that the bill will be massive, and they’ll be expected to contribute. Cue more foreigners departing to avoid taxes.)
The tax rate, combined with the sense of obligation to each other, supports one of the best healthcare systems in the world. Which in turn is part of one of the best government administrations in the world, filled with extremely smart people who feel a real sense of obligation toward their country to do a really good job. (Don’t confuse this with the political machine... let’s just not go into that.)
When you have a society where everyone is willing to “suffer” for each other, you can have a society like Tokyo. Like so many other great places, it works because people can just sort of expect others to do what’s right. And conversely, for reasons that look racist to outsiders but really aren’t, everyone also silently expects foreigners to do everything wrong. If there was an influx of people into Japan who didn’t share these values — and they’re real values, not a race thing — the whole country would quickly fall apart.
- toolz 5y agoHaving negative expectations of someone you've not met, based on conditions they were born into, is the very heart of racism and every bit as unfair and toxic.
- presentation 5y agoI personally think a lot of it is understandable and doesn’t necessarily result in negative discrimination like you might imagine. Understandably, usually foreigners like myself don’t understand all the rules of politeness in Japanese culture, and it takes a lot of time and labor to do so - I try my best, but most Japanese people will expect that I will fail to abide by those rules all the time. The reaction to this sometimes is critical, especially in private (foreigners often have trouble rising the ranks in professional organizations because of this), but often results in people just being lenient on you as a foreigner - if anything it’s much harder to be a Japanese person in Japanese society since people don’t assume that you won’t follow all the norms. I think it would be exhausting to expect all foreigners to abide by all the social norms, and get pissed off everyday when 95% of them fail. This extends to a lot of things, like foreigners failing to follow the complex recycling system, or doing things as simple as jaywalking or biking through a red light in an empty intersection - things which most Japanese people wouldn’t do. So while I agree there’s definitely racism, it’s not quite as clear cut as what you’re saying - there’s also just pure practicality at play.
- dustintrex 5y ago> I am pretty sure there’s the highest top bracket in the world, and it’s super-progressive so you hit it quickly. Not really? The highest bracket is 45%, but it takes an income of 40 million JPY ($350k US) to hit that. The vast majority of Japanese fall into the 23% (up to 9M) or 33% (up to 18M) brackets. There's an extra 10% or so in local taxes, insurance etc, but the total burden is not unreasonably high by European standards and not far off California either.
- getoj 5y agoIf you earn 20M yen a year, you're paying 41% of that in income tax, resident tax, and compulsory social security payments.[1] If you earn 200k USD in California, you pay 35.5% of that in total taxes.[2] I suppose the latter doesn't count the ridiculous US health insurance system, but Japan is by no means on the low end of taxation, and it's the highest rate in APAC when you account for social security. [1]https://japantaxcalculator.com/ https://japantaxcalculator.com/ [2]https://www.talent.com/tax-calculator?region=California https://www.talent.com/tax-calculator?region=California