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The answer and the future is kids will be raised by the state and given an equal playing field. This frees parents to work/spend and ensures the only advantage

by ipaddr 5y ago

The answer and the future is kids will be raised by the state and given an equal playing field. This frees parents to work/spend and ensures the only advantage exists at the gene level. We can selectively breed those traits away . The problem is we sent kids to school in the first place and ask them to follow a system designed for the average student but not the most typical.

molbioguy 5y ago
This is "Brave New World" (Aldous Huxley, 1931) in a nutshell!
Pensacola 5y ago
This was written by a non-parent.
rkk3 5y ago
> future is kids will be raised by the state and given an equal playing field. This seems dystopian...
swader999 5y ago
Canada tried that. It didn't go so well. Probably the worst thing you can do for society.
- jimbob45 5y ago
  Feel free to expand. As a US-based individual, I’m not likely to ever get the perspective of a Canadian on this topic.
  - 908B64B197 5y ago
    The British and later Canadian (of British descent mostly) Administration had native children raised by the state. The end results are, well, let's just say it makes what's happening to the Uighur look not so bad in comparison. [0] BTW these "schools" were still around when their current leader's father (Trudeau) was in office. [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57592243 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57592243
  - geofft 5y ago
    Probably a reference to the "residential school" system in Canada, which largely served as a way to extract indigenous kids from their nations and raise them instead in the culture of the people running the government, with parents fairly intentionally unable to visit their children. (Also they were in the news in recent months for the recent discoveries of mass graves.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_sc... (It does seem, as another commenter pointed out, that this isn't necessarily the only end result of state involvement in child-raising. In particular, it seems to me you can draw a qualitative difference between greater state education as a way to expand the experiences of children growing up and as a way to constrain those experiences.)
- Kye 5y ago
  There's probably a middle ground between stealing kids to indoctrinate them and some mutually beneficial, culturally-inclusive system of education.
  - jollybean 5y ago
    We already have basic public education, anything more is ideology.
generalizations 5y ago
Hope you don't mind it when people you don't like get to choose the curriculum. What happens when a fascist gets elected (again?) and decides it's time to make some adjustments to the school system? You seem to have a lot of trust in a system that hasn't earned it.
- ipaddr 5y ago
  You don't get to choose your public school's curriculum now.
  - generalizations 5y ago
    Yes; that that's a problem. It's one of the big reasons why people choose to put their kids through private school, or even to homeschool.
- redis_mlc 5y ago
  > What happens when a fascist gets elected (again?) The Biden administration is the most fascist government the US has ever had. Their integration with BLM and antifa rioters is the same as the Bolsheviks in WW1 and Mussolini's fascists in WW2 - in fact, our current (incompetent) VP helped bail out rioters. The reason for Biden's Open Border policy is to pack enough new potential Democratic voters so that the US will have a one-party political system. Asking for voter ID pales in comparison to allowing 2 million illegal aliens into the country (and funding them) in 2021 alone.
mattnewton 5y ago
> The answer and the future is kids will be raised by the state and given an equal playing field. Except for the parents powerful / wealthy enough to opt out of this system for one with more resources, who will, just as we do today. Who is going to die on a hill to pass legislation banning private schooling and forcing a state monopoly on raising children? We would need generations of culture shift before many people could even debate the idea without involuntarily shuddering in horror.
Mindless2112 5y ago
"The fundamental theory of liberty upon which all governments in this Union repose excludes any general power of the state to standardize its children by forcing them to accept instruction from public teachers only. The child is not the mere creature of the state; those who nurture him and direct his destiny have the right, coupled with the high duty, to recognize and prepare him for additional obligations." [1] [1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/268/510 https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/268/510
aaomidi 5y ago
Or communal life where kids are raised by multiple parental figures and not the state.
jollybean 5y ago
"The answer and the future is kids will be raised by the state and given an equal playing field." I read this as sarcasm, but I re-read it and am not so sure? I hope you're will to pay for that in blood because there will be war over it. We get that there's no such thing as a perfectly level playing field, but we're not going to allow children to be raised by the state to achieve what will be frankly in all likelihood not much of a gain in that regard, and a loss of basic freedom, and that's before the obvious risk of totalitarianism. If you're worried about the state reading your emails, or net neutrality, you should naturally be 100x more concerned about what the state wants your child to believe. While I am actually in support of good basic public education, I suggest the issue is important enough so that it should be at 'arms length' from the politicians, much like the Central Bank, but with more public input. We need to get rid of this notion that there's really such a thing as 'perfectly equal' anyhow. Comparative Value. People value different things. Instead, take the approach of 'if there's a will there's a way' i.e. every kid gets access to good, basic, core schooling, and if a kid is motivated and has basic talents, they should have access to basic higher education. Finally, most of the needle has nothing to do with quality of education, which most kids have access to, it's the quality of their home life. I'll bet material improvements in minimum wage and some kind of basic 'healthcare for all' would yield materially better results for kids than any specific changes to schooling, other than the cost of higher ed. Edit: thee are enough examples of great public schools i.e. Norway, S. Korea, Canada, we don't need to get all theoretical about it. Work on 'all the issues' and the kids will be mostly ok.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > I read this as sarcasm, but I re-read it and am not so sure? I’ve seen both serious Marxist arguments for it and serious capitalist arguments for it (and also serious critiques of each of those camps that the other camp ultimately leads to that end!), among others, so while I don't think it is a good idea, it is not one I dismiss out of hand as a joke when I see it.
- ipaddr 5y ago
  The general idea came to me when discussing equal pay for women and how kids affects a women's career. Thinking about ways to equalize education with kids frim different economic level. I came upon this idea. There are many benefits and many drawbacks. No matter how taboo this topic it feels like the natural evolution of putting the children first, equalizing poverty backgrounds, equalizing pay, increasing workforce durations, spending power. Why would you allow untrained professionals to raise our most valuable resource?

by ipaddr 5y ago

molbioguy 5y ago

This is "Brave New World" (Aldous Huxley, 1931) in a nutshell!

Pensacola 5y ago

This was written by a non-parent.

rkk3 5y ago

> future is kids will be raised by the state and given an equal playing field. This seems dystopian...

swader999 5y ago

Canada tried that. It didn't go so well. Probably the worst thing you can do for society.

jimbob45 5y ago
Feel free to expand. As a US-based individual, I’m not likely to ever get the perspective of a Canadian on this topic.
- 908B64B197 5y ago
  The British and later Canadian (of British descent mostly) Administration had native children raised by the state. The end results are, well, let's just say it makes what's happening to the Uighur look not so bad in comparison. [0] BTW these "schools" were still around when their current leader's father (Trudeau) was in office. [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57592243 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57592243
- geofft 5y ago
  Probably a reference to the "residential school" system in Canada, which largely served as a way to extract indigenous kids from their nations and raise them instead in the culture of the people running the government, with parents fairly intentionally unable to visit their children. (Also they were in the news in recent months for the recent discoveries of mass graves.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_sc... (It does seem, as another commenter pointed out, that this isn't necessarily the only end result of state involvement in child-raising. In particular, it seems to me you can draw a qualitative difference between greater state education as a way to expand the experiences of children growing up and as a way to constrain those experiences.)
Kye 5y ago
There's probably a middle ground between stealing kids to indoctrinate them and some mutually beneficial, culturally-inclusive system of education.
- jollybean 5y ago
  We already have basic public education, anything more is ideology.

generalizations 5y ago

Hope you don't mind it when people you don't like get to choose the curriculum. What happens when a fascist gets elected (again?) and decides it's time to make some adjustments to the school system? You seem to have a lot of trust in a system that hasn't earned it.

ipaddr 5y ago
You don't get to choose your public school's curriculum now.
- generalizations 5y ago
  Yes; that that's a problem. It's one of the big reasons why people choose to put their kids through private school, or even to homeschool.
redis_mlc 5y ago
> What happens when a fascist gets elected (again?) The Biden administration is the most fascist government the US has ever had. Their integration with BLM and antifa rioters is the same as the Bolsheviks in WW1 and Mussolini's fascists in WW2 - in fact, our current (incompetent) VP helped bail out rioters. The reason for Biden's Open Border policy is to pack enough new potential Democratic voters so that the US will have a one-party political system. Asking for voter ID pales in comparison to allowing 2 million illegal aliens into the country (and funding them) in 2021 alone.

mattnewton 5y ago

> The answer and the future is kids will be raised by the state and given an equal playing field. Except for the parents powerful / wealthy enough to opt out of this system for one with more resources, who will, just as we do today. Who is going to die on a hill to pass legislation banning private schooling and forcing a state monopoly on raising children? We would need generations of culture shift before many people could even debate the idea without involuntarily shuddering in horror.

Mindless2112 5y ago

"The fundamental theory of liberty upon which all governments in this Union repose excludes any general power of the state to standardize its children by forcing them to accept instruction from public teachers only. The child is not the mere creature of the state; those who nurture him and direct his destiny have the right, coupled with the high duty, to recognize and prepare him for additional obligations." [1] [1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/268/510 https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/268/510

aaomidi 5y ago

Or communal life where kids are raised by multiple parental figures and not the state.

jollybean 5y ago

"The answer and the future is kids will be raised by the state and given an equal playing field." I read this as sarcasm, but I re-read it and am not so sure? I hope you're will to pay for that in blood because there will be war over it. We get that there's no such thing as a perfectly level playing field, but we're not going to allow children to be raised by the state to achieve what will be frankly in all likelihood not much of a gain in that regard, and a loss of basic freedom, and that's before the obvious risk of totalitarianism. If you're worried about the state reading your emails, or net neutrality, you should naturally be 100x more concerned about what the state wants your child to believe. While I am actually in support of good basic public education, I suggest the issue is important enough so that it should be at 'arms length' from the politicians, much like the Central Bank, but with more public input. We need to get rid of this notion that there's really such a thing as 'perfectly equal' anyhow. Comparative Value. People value different things. Instead, take the approach of 'if there's a will there's a way' i.e. every kid gets access to good, basic, core schooling, and if a kid is motivated and has basic talents, they should have access to basic higher education. Finally, most of the needle has nothing to do with quality of education, which most kids have access to, it's the quality of their home life. I'll bet material improvements in minimum wage and some kind of basic 'healthcare for all' would yield materially better results for kids than any specific changes to schooling, other than the cost of higher ed. Edit: thee are enough examples of great public schools i.e. Norway, S. Korea, Canada, we don't need to get all theoretical about it. Work on 'all the issues' and the kids will be mostly ok.

dragonwriter 5y ago
> I read this as sarcasm, but I re-read it and am not so sure? I’ve seen both serious Marxist arguments for it and serious capitalist arguments for it (and also serious critiques of each of those camps that the other camp ultimately leads to that end!), among others, so while I don't think it is a good idea, it is not one I dismiss out of hand as a joke when I see it.
ipaddr 5y ago
The general idea came to me when discussing equal pay for women and how kids affects a women's career. Thinking about ways to equalize education with kids frim different economic level. I came upon this idea. There are many benefits and many drawbacks. No matter how taboo this topic it feels like the natural evolution of putting the children first, equalizing poverty backgrounds, equalizing pay, increasing workforce durations, spending power. Why would you allow untrained professionals to raise our most valuable resource?