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you quoted something which i think you misunderstood. the natural person is the link to a real name. it only becomes PII if its somehow possible to link a real

by y4mi 5y ago

you quoted something which i think you misunderstood. the natural person is the link to a real name. it only becomes PII if its somehow possible to link a real name or similar to this identifier. If this is impossible, it will never be PII, even if it identifies a single individual.

number6 5y ago
This would be a massive misunderstanding on my part. I don't believe I did. For example: Recital 30 explicitly states IP addresses[0] and that they might be assigned to a person. Art 4 states that a person can be directly identified or indirectly identified. My understanding is, that you don't need any direct information about a person if you can single them out with indirect information. "However, a name is not always necessary. Had you not known Robert’s name, you could have still identified him through his proximity and some combination of physical factors, like height and hair color."[1] I don't think I am wrong here. But I am willing to admit when I am wrong, where is my mistake? [0]https://gdpr-info.eu/recitals/no-30/ https://gdpr-info.eu/recitals/no-30/ [1]https://gdpr.eu/eu-gdpr-personal-data/?cn-reloaded=1 https://gdpr.eu/eu-gdpr-personal-data/?cn-reloaded=1
- y4mi 5y ago
  Yes, a name is strictly speaking unnecessary, but you need to actually identify a real person uniquely in the real world. its not PII as long as its impossible to link it back to a unique identification from the real world such as a name, social security number or similar. so my previous blanket statement of IP addresses not being PII is slightly exaggerated, they can be, but they rarely are. most people access the internet either with dynamic ip addresses or from a corporations internet providers. people that have a static ip address on a private landline and without a NAT are rare, which is why generally speaking, IP addresses aren't PII. it does become PII if the person in question has a static ip address and is the only person using this connection.
  - number6 5y ago
    Would you say that your username is PII? I sure can't identify you in the real world, but I can identify you as a real person. I would consider it PII even if I know nothing else about you other than that I am talking to the same person.
    - y4mi 5y ago
      No, my username is not PII as there is no lookup table to my real identity. If it was, ycombinator would have to adhere to much more stringent regulation wrt them.
      - number6 5y ago
        Ok so this is the point to where we differ. I read Art 4 as follows in this case: You are a natural person who can be indirectly identified by refering to an online identifier (your username). This identifier is therefore personal data. HN also has your IP while and a mail address. So they have a much stronger link. Maybe they also have information about the sites you visited and the comments you made. If one would read all of this, maybe this someone would have a good profile about you and could identify you.
        y4mi 5y ago
        A natural person is a legal term so it's really not a matter of opinion... Believe it or not, usernames only become PII if the user choose to use their real name or another information which uniquely identifies them in real life
        number6 5y ago
        Ok I guess that we can't reach an understanding in this point. I don't think GDPR needs the real life link, you think it does. I can understand your point and it was nice to entertain this conversation with you. I can't see how to convince you from my view and I don't see how you could convince me of yours. But I will keep you arguments in mind and will look for some more information regarding to it. Thank you!

by y4mi 5y ago

number6 5y ago

This would be a massive misunderstanding on my part. I don't believe I did. For example: Recital 30 explicitly states IP addresses[0] and that they might be assigned to a person. Art 4 states that a person can be directly identified or indirectly identified. My understanding is, that you don't need any direct information about a person if you can single them out with indirect information. "However, a name is not always necessary. Had you not known Robert’s name, you could have still identified him through his proximity and some combination of physical factors, like height and hair color."[1] I don't think I am wrong here. But I am willing to admit when I am wrong, where is my mistake? [0]https://gdpr-info.eu/recitals/no-30/ https://gdpr-info.eu/recitals/no-30/ [1]https://gdpr.eu/eu-gdpr-personal-data/?cn-reloaded=1 https://gdpr.eu/eu-gdpr-personal-data/?cn-reloaded=1

y4mi 5y ago
Yes, a name is strictly speaking unnecessary, but you need to actually identify a real person uniquely in the real world. its not PII as long as its impossible to link it back to a unique identification from the real world such as a name, social security number or similar. so my previous blanket statement of IP addresses not being PII is slightly exaggerated, they can be, but they rarely are. most people access the internet either with dynamic ip addresses or from a corporations internet providers. people that have a static ip address on a private landline and without a NAT are rare, which is why generally speaking, IP addresses aren't PII. it does become PII if the person in question has a static ip address and is the only person using this connection.
- number6 5y ago
  Would you say that your username is PII? I sure can't identify you in the real world, but I can identify you as a real person. I would consider it PII even if I know nothing else about you other than that I am talking to the same person.
  - y4mi 5y ago
    No, my username is not PII as there is no lookup table to my real identity. If it was, ycombinator would have to adhere to much more stringent regulation wrt them.
    - number6 5y ago
      Ok so this is the point to where we differ. I read Art 4 as follows in this case: You are a natural person who can be indirectly identified by refering to an online identifier (your username). This identifier is therefore personal data. HN also has your IP while and a mail address. So they have a much stronger link. Maybe they also have information about the sites you visited and the comments you made. If one would read all of this, maybe this someone would have a good profile about you and could identify you.
      - y4mi 5y ago
        A natural person is a legal term so it's really not a matter of opinion... Believe it or not, usernames only become PII if the user choose to use their real name or another information which uniquely identifies them in real life
        number6 5y ago
        Ok I guess that we can't reach an understanding in this point. I don't think GDPR needs the real life link, you think it does. I can understand your point and it was nice to entertain this conversation with you. I can't see how to convince you from my view and I don't see how you could convince me of yours. But I will keep you arguments in mind and will look for some more information regarding to it. Thank you!