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Sounds similar to the fear about drugs. Many people who use or abuse drugs have mental health issues and they are using the drug in an attempt to self medicate.
by netizen-936824 5y ago
Sounds similar to the fear about drugs. Many people who use or abuse drugs have mental health issues and they are using the drug in an attempt to self medicate. People see this and think that drugs cause mental health issues, which is not true at all.
- ruforrel 5y agoSounds like something a drug addicted mental patient would say.
- Sebb767 5y agoWell, I'd argue that overconsumption of hard drugs is a mental health issue, so there's definitely some relation.
- supperburg 5y agoOverconsumption is the symptom of mental health problems, not the cause. The only major class of drug induced mental disorder has to do with people who have a pre-existing condition. But when people can’t stop using drugs, it’s because they have an emotional problem. Most of the Vietnam vets who used heroin overseas stopped using without issue when they came back.
- yakubin 5y agoIt may be a symptom, but it may also be its own cause. Chemical addiction is a thing and various drugs have various levels of risk or chemical addiction. Alcohol, nicotine, cocaine, heroine - you can get addicted to them without any emotional problems.
- supperburg 5y agoThis is the old narrative and it’s wrong. Physical addiction is an exceedingly small part of the problem. And most cases of physical addiction are brought on by continued use which is almost always brought on by the cause of addiction which has been shown to be emotional and psychiatric problems.
- xyzzy123 5y agoIf you accept this as dogma ("always") then the reasoning becomes circular. Overuse is then "proof" of the person's underlying problems. That seems too reductive. Find me a person without "emotional / psychiatric problems"(!) Substance use is multi-faceted. It can be modulated by availability (cost being a factor), social acceptability, religion, personal biology (eg alcohol intolerance), emotional state, age, physical addiction, history/habit, availability of substitutes (e.g. availability of heroin will tend to suppress use of krokodil), social supports and more. To this way of thinking there was widespread heroin use among GIs in Vietnam because it was socially acceptable in context, widely available, people were bored, their usual social and emotional supports were not present, and for some, trauma. You can change any of the factors above and that will influence how people use.
- supperburg 5y ago> That seems too reductive. Find me a person without "emotional / psychiatric problems"(!) This is objectively wrong. Could you find a person without OCD? No, you couldn’t under your framework because people use these names frivolously and in the context of their own lives. People use PTSD in the same way. Not everyone has these kinds of problems. That is super ignorant of you.
- netizen-936824 5y agoAnd what causes them to begin using it regularly in the first place? Do you think healthy people suddenly start regularly using drugs like alcohol, cannabis, or heroin after trying it once?
- yesenadam 5y agoWell, as far as 'cannabis' goes, what's not to like. No hangover. It's very enjoyable, I don't know why you wouldn't want to smoke it frequently/regularly after trying it once. It would be weird to think "Well, that was really nice but I'm not doing that again." Plus it's not addictive, unlike those other two 'drugs' you mentioned. I'm wondering what role that word 'suddenly' plays in that sentence. Juices it up, I guess, tries to make it sound scary.
- bserge 5y agoIt does have a hangover when you smoke too much, and the stupefying effect that lingers for days in some people is also something to dislike. But when the drugs you actually need are locked behind a retarded system, you use what you can get.
- edgyquant 5y agoI don’t see why not. Anyone can get addicted to drugs.
- SubiculumCode 5y agometh at high doses causes mental health issues. Period.
- termy 5y agoHow do you know?
- powellzer 5y agoAs does poverty, poor education, pollution, and mass incarceration. These are all cyclical problems.
- micromacrofoot 5y agoI mean sure, while high most definitely
- netizen-936824 5y agoCan you please cite the text that states this? I'd like to know the mechanism involved.
- tgv 5y agoHere's your mozzarella-heroin salad, madam. Enjoy.
- contingencies 5y agoOpiates (pre-heroin) were/are the most important drug in many parts of the world for large parts of human history and were consumed orally. Their sole issue is addiction/dependence, which can be managed. Opium is cheap, effective for many medical uses (gastro issues, sedative, pain relief, anesthesia, etc) and easy to cultivate on relatively poor land.
- tgv 5y agoNot that anyone will read this, but... I reply to someone who compares some warning over eating tomatoes with the totally unrelated drugs problem, making it even more irrelevant by dragging mental health into it, and then you reply with some positive spin on opiates? Because we use them under medical supervision for pain relief? What is this? The Taliban's PR agency? And about your precious opiates: remember what happens when they're used freely. Just look for 30s at this clip starting at 4:08, then look in the mirror and repeat your opinion. https://www.pbs.org/video/addiction-affects-everyone-43qm7x/ https://www.pbs.org/video/addiction-affects-everyone-43qm7x/
- contingencies 5y agoYou misinterpret. I am not advocating for or against. It's important to study history and observe the objective facts of cultures that have had exposure for millennia. This would be an informed way to educate oneself prior to forming an opinion. Could it be that modern abuse and processing is quite a different beast to traditional use? You be the judge.