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If it weren't for news reports there is nothing in my day to day life that would make me aware that, say, the US is bombing Syria. Also the Pfizer vaccine's be

If it weren't for news reports there is nothing in my day to day life that would make me aware that, say, the US is bombing Syria. Also the Pfizer vaccine's been approved, it's no longer 'experimental'.

AndrewBissell 5y ago
The question of whether the vaccines are experimental does not hinge upon the proclamations of a captured regulatory agency with a revolving door to the companies it's regulating. They have approved an experimental vaccine. Not only that, but you can't actually get the approved Comirnaty version of the Pfizer shots. The "legally distinct" EUA injections are still the only ones available. The FDA's "approval" is a bait-and-switch.
- bigbillheck 5y ago
  All vaccines are experimental until they're approved.
  - Pyramus 5y ago
    No "they" are forcing us to be part of a human experiment. It doesn't matter that what I eat, or the fact that I drive a car, or other medication I take is several orders of magnitude more risky than getting vaccinated. I just don't want others to decide what's good for me.
    - ceejayoz 5y ago
      When you eat, others have likely decided what's good for you - the meat is probably USDA inspected, the grain subject to requirements on maximum levels of rodent and insect bits, etc. When you drive, others have decided crumple zones, air bags, brake lights, and other such things are good for you.
twofornone 5y ago
The difference is that Syria is thousands of miles away and poses no threat to you, unlike a supposedly deadly pandemic. >Also the Pfizer vaccine's been approved, it's no longer 'experimental This is dishonest. The fact that a political machine suspended due process and rushed a politically and financially motivated approval does not imply that the vaccine is no longer experimental. We still don't even know how well or for how long it works, judging by the rapidly falling efficacy numbers over time. In addition to the paradoxical statistics showing record cases in the most highly vaccinated countries. It took five years for the mutagenicity of thalidomide to be discovered, but not before causing severe birth defects in thousands of children. Meanwhile we've just given the green light to billions of doses with absolutely no medium or long term safety data, in a political climate where questioning vaccine safety/efficacy is social and career suicide. Practically asking for trouble under such circumstances.

AndrewBissell 5y ago

The question of whether the vaccines are experimental does not hinge upon the proclamations of a captured regulatory agency with a revolving door to the companies it's regulating. They have approved an experimental vaccine. Not only that, but you can't actually get the approved Comirnaty version of the Pfizer shots. The "legally distinct" EUA injections are still the only ones available. The FDA's "approval" is a bait-and-switch.

bigbillheck 5y ago
All vaccines are experimental until they're approved.
- Pyramus 5y ago
  No "they" are forcing us to be part of a human experiment. It doesn't matter that what I eat, or the fact that I drive a car, or other medication I take is several orders of magnitude more risky than getting vaccinated. I just don't want others to decide what's good for me.
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    When you eat, others have likely decided what's good for you - the meat is probably USDA inspected, the grain subject to requirements on maximum levels of rodent and insect bits, etc. When you drive, others have decided crumple zones, air bags, brake lights, and other such things are good for you.

twofornone 5y ago

The difference is that Syria is thousands of miles away and poses no threat to you, unlike a supposedly deadly pandemic. >Also the Pfizer vaccine's been approved, it's no longer 'experimental This is dishonest. The fact that a political machine suspended due process and rushed a politically and financially motivated approval does not imply that the vaccine is no longer experimental. We still don't even know how well or for how long it works, judging by the rapidly falling efficacy numbers over time. In addition to the paradoxical statistics showing record cases in the most highly vaccinated countries. It took five years for the mutagenicity of thalidomide to be discovered, but not before causing severe birth defects in thousands of children. Meanwhile we've just given the green light to billions of doses with absolutely no medium or long term safety data, in a political climate where questioning vaccine safety/efficacy is social and career suicide. Practically asking for trouble under such circumstances.